WW: LXXVI - At Moria: EXTRA Edition

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I just think there's a difference between attitude and the content.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It's essentially what I meant about Nienna yesterday, it was good to see her "cut the banter, I'm going to make my posts mean something" attitude, but not the rather random advice for the seer.

I understand what you meant, now. It wasn't terribly clear earlier.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

My frustration is I'm able to find time after 13 hours a day away from a computer, at work, and still play and vote than there really is no reasonable excuse for anyone aside from bad internet or being straight out sick. I mean you might not like having to make a decision based on 3 pages of banter, but it screws the rest who do make that voting decision as well as just being kind of rude to the Mod.)

I can understand that as well. Day 1 I slept and worked virtually the whole Day, and had to make a mad dash to make it in time to vote, having about 2 minutes to skim the thread.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

We've already had wilwa pull out, it would likely be a good idea to leave McCaber as a viable choice if there is no one else that is striking us as a sure-fire wolf. And als tum for that matter who's completely disappeared as well. My oh my, there really is A LOT of dead weight and this is just going to start making me more bitter.

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

This makes sense to me, yet at the same time I'm almost tempted to vote for them.

I may have to vote soon because my internet keeps on going out, and I don't want to not vote again. I'm soooo loving that idea...NOT! Especially since it doesn't look like there's a lot to go off of. I'm not convinced Boro's vote is enough to vote for him.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

Well one time voting that way did get a wolf. But at that time I don't think there were clear mod-fire rules if someone didn't vote so many days in a row.

I'm not saying everyone bandwagons to vote McCaber, because that doesn't tell us anything (even if he is a wolf) and would be a waste. However, giving him a few votes to make him an able quick choice if needed to avoid a disastrous lynch shouldn't be anything to *gasp* over.

Not everyone can stay to the DL everyday (this game I'm gonna be one of those who can't). As far as I know right now, he's going to be mod-fired at the end of the day if he doesn't vote, and if there is someone else you feel strongly wolvish about go for it, but in the event that we're wrong and there's a gifted reveal, it's nice to have a fallback option to go to. If McCaber's going to get mod-fired (maybe we can ask Shasta for clarification?), it would be most wise to make him the fallback if there is some sort of untimely reveal or chaotic madness that happens far to often towards the DL.

If you think to, it really doesn't waste a lynch/day, just delays it to the next day. It would be a waste if everyone bandwagons to vote for McCaber now, but giving him a few votes to make him an option and protect against a disastrous lynch...there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

If you think to, it really doesn't waste a lynch/day, just delays it to the next day. It would be a waste if everyone bandwagons to vote for McCaber now, but giving him a few votes to make him an option and protect against a disastrous lynch...there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

It wouldn't if the wolves didn't get a Night kill. Since they do, it would be more like yet another double kill for the wolves - and that's not exactly an ideal situation.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

I can see where Boro's coming from - the non-voters are annoying and I don't appreciate them getting to live when the participating people are lynched - but it would be a waste of a lynch. Unless we have reason to think xe is a wolf, I wouldn't vote them. Still, please people, participate!

EDIT: xed with Boro

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Well one time voting that way did get a wolf. But at that time I don't think there were clear mod-fire rules if someone didn't vote so many days in a row.

I'm not saying everyone bandwagons to vote McCaber, because that doesn't tell us anything (even if he is a wolf) and would be a waste. However, giving him a few votes to make him an able quick choice if needed to avoid a disastrous lynch shouldn't be anything to *gasp* over.

Not everyone can stay to the DL everyday (this game I'm gonna be one of those who can't). As far as I know right now, he's going to be mod-fired at the end of the day if he doesn't vote, and if there is someone else you feel strongly wolvish about go for it, but in the event that we're wrong and there's a gifted reveal, it's nice to have a fallback option to go to. If McCaber's going to get mod-fired (maybe we can ask Shasta for clarification?), it would be most wise to make him the fallback if there is some sort of untimely reveal or chaotic madness that happens far to often towards the DL.

If you think to, it really doesn't waste a lynch/day, just delays it to the next day. It would be a waste if everyone bandwagons to vote for McCaber now, but giving him a few votes to make him an option and protect against a disastrous lynch...there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I'm really not liking this post. I can understand his logic, but at the same time it seems like he's trying to be too careful. Then again, at the same time I haven't seen him as too suspicious (at least not without taking a closer look at him) so I think I'm just reflecting everyone else's paranoia.

If someone's going to get modfired, let them get modfired. For all we know Cabbie is a gifted and if we use him as our "backup lynch" that could end even worse than if we use someone some of us, I don't know, suspect.


List in a moment I believe.


EDIT: x'd with Lottie, bolding

[satansaloser2005]

Hold on. Only two people have voted so far? Surely I've missed some!


Nerwen-->Boro
Morsul-->Blind

[autume98]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Hold on. Only two people have voted so far? Surely I've missed some!


Nerwen-->Boro
Morsul-->Blind

Really!? And here I thought that no votes had been posted yet.

I'm debating whether or not to vote now. Part of me wants to in case I have no internet. Yet I'm not sure I want to waste my vote on McCaber. Especially if xe is going to get modfired if xe doesn't vote toDay. Yet I really don't know who else to vote for at this point.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by autume98

Really!? And here I thought that no votes had been posted yet.

I'm debating whether or not to vote now. Part of me wants to in case I have no internet. Yet I'm not sure I want to waste my vote on McCaber. Especially if xe is going to get modfired if xe doesn't vote toDay. Yet I really don't know who else to vote for at this point.

For the record, sweetie, Cabs is a boychild.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

For the record, sweetie, Cabs is a boychild.

Thanks!

[satansaloser2005]

Sectioning people off with just a basic list for now.


Will not vote:
Blind (new kid on the block pass)
Paranoia (ditto)
Tum (ditto)
Sally (for obvious reasons)
Nerwen (I currently trust her)
Lottie (ditto)
Cabbie (nothing to go on)
Glirdan (not a lot to go on)

Might vote upon further inspection:
Mira
Inzil
Celuien

Will consider voting:
Elf (for reasons and squicks stated earlier, which I feel quite more strongly than before, though Elf is still not my first choice)
Boro (because I'm having trouble believing he's innocent what with all this plotting, though I'm thinking he's just trying to achieve some sort of weird Phantom like prize....maybe he's just gone mad?)
Morsul (for being so anti-village and not even trying to disguise it)

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm really not liking this post. I can understand his logic, but at the same time it seems like he's trying to be too careful. Then again, at the same time I haven't seen him as too suspicious (at least not without taking a closer look at him) so I think I'm just reflecting everyone else's paranoia.

If someone's going to get modfired, let them get modfired. For all we know Cabbie is a gifted and if we use him as our "backup lynch" that could end even worse than if we use someone some of us, I don't know, suspect.

*bangs head against wall* Yes, but it absolutely would not waste the # of lynch chances. It just delays the chance to the next day.

It's impossible to lose the # of lynch chances you get in a game. Let's say we lynch someone else and McCaber's mod-fired, that's 2 chances (1 day) at a wolf. If we lynch the person who was going to be modfired 1 chance (1 day), but with the 1-less death, do the math...we either delay and get an extra-day phase (2nd chance) or pick up an extra-night phase giving the ranger, or hunter extra chances to succeed.

You say it's all logical and makes sense. Admit there's really nothing wrong with it, but still call it a waste?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

*bangs head against wall* Yes, but it absolutely would not waste the # of lynch chances. It just delays the chance to the next day.

It's impossible to lose the # of lynch chances you get in a game. Let's say we lynch someone else and McCaber's mod-fired, that's 2 chances (1 day) at a wolf. If we lynch the person who was going to be modfired 1 chance (1 day), but with the 1-less death, do the math...we either delay and get an extra-day phase (2nd chance) or pick up an extra-night phase giving the ranger, or hunter extra chances to succeed.

You say it's all logical and makes sense. Admit there's really nothing wrong with it, but still call it a waste?

You keep forgetting about the Night-kill. And besides, I don't want to settle for a stall-the-game lynch; I want to kill a wolf! Not to mention the fact that killing Cabbie tells us nothing. He hasn't posted, and chances are really bad that he'd be a wolf.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Loslote

You keep forgetting about the Night-kill. And besides, I don't want to settle for a stall-the-game lynch; I want to kill a wolf! Not to mention the fact that killing Cabbie tells us nothing. He hasn't posted, and chances are really bad that he'd be a wolf.

But you're assuming Cabbie's not a wolf. And again it's not stalling the game at all! We either get 2 shots 1-day, or 2-shots 2-days to get a wolf.

What is so impossible to understand that you can't lose the # of lynches in any game. With any number of people, you get the same # of chances to lynch a wolf, because the number of people don't change, just the amount of days.

Please Lottie, point to where I said we all go and vote for McCaber right now...I said I'm not going to be on the DL, and I don't want to wake up finding out I was lynched, on top of someone else being mod-fired (on top of already losing wilwa). I said we need to make him an available choice to protect against an absolutely disastrous lynch. Who knows what you can learn from McCaber's death, or the votes? You can't until he's killed.

And again it's not wasting any chance we have t lynch a wolf...none whatsoever. Do the math, do you want 2 chances at a wolf, in 1 day or 2 chances in 2 days? So I'm doing it because I'm tired of arguing this, as I argued it the last time I advocated it. When you come to realize I'm right, I will rub it in your face, just so you know.

++McCaber

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Please Lottie, point to where I said we all go and vote for McCaber right now...I said I'm not going to be on the DL, and I don't want to wake up finding out I was lynched, on top of someone else being mod-fired (on top of already losing wilwa). I said we need to make him an available choice to protect against an absolutely disastrous lynch. Who knows what you can learn from McCaber's death, or the votes? You can't until he's killed.

I'm not saying you must absolutely be wrong and thus evil for suggesting it, I'm just saying that I don't agree. I still don't agree, but I'm willing to let it drop and agree to disagree. Actually, the fact that you kept fighting for this is annoying, though - it's stirring up my poor little brain cells into yet more confusion, as I don't know if this is evil or not. Little Lottie let her mind wander...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

*bangs head against wall* Yes, but it absolutely would not waste the # of lynch chances. It just delays the chance to the next day.

It's impossible to lose the # of lynch chances you get in a game. Let's say we lynch someone else and McCaber's mod-fired, that's 2 chances (1 day) at a wolf. If we lynch the person who was going to be modfired 1 chance (1 day), but with the 1-less death, do the math...we either delay and get an extra-day phase (2nd chance) or pick up an extra-night phase giving the ranger, or hunter extra chances to succeed.

You say it's all logical and makes sense. Admit there's really nothing wrong with it, but still call it a waste?

Dear one, I said I understood your logic. I just don't agree with it.

If Cabbie's going to get modkilled then he's dead anyway. Say he's a wolf. (Best case, I know, but go with me.) We lynch Person X because we don't go with your plan, and Person X is also a wolf. Two down in one Day! Obviously this could work the other way too but I for one am not comfortable voting someone who can't be harm nor good to us right now and is going to die anyway. Nothing is gained without risk, and while we do have a higher chance of hitting two innocents that way I think it's a risk we have to take, especially if we think we can peg a wolf (who isn't Cab). I'll be holding my vote, so rest assured that if there's a gifted reveal, I'm wholeheartedly willing to go along with your plan (if there's no other choice). It just doesn't seem too likely to me, and I'd much rather have the second victim (for lack of a better word) be someone I suspect than someone who I don't even know is going to return.

Sounds to me like an overly crafted way to do a quick safe lynch toDay. Whether or not you're evil I'm suspicious of the plan itself, because it just doesn't work in the true best interest of the village. If we kill McCaber toDay and he'd be dead anyway, we've gotten nowhere, and besides, people can go along with it just to go along with it and then where are we for toMorrow?

Don't get me wrong, dear. It's a good contingency plan. Just not a good formal strategy. *snuggles you anyway, hopes you don't sprout fur*


Oooo, there's an idea....


EDIT: x'd with Lottie -again!- and remembering to bloody bold.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Oooo, there's an idea....

Oh dear. Ought we to be worried?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Oh dear. Ought we to be worried?

No. Sorry, a thought just occurred to me and I just stuck it on the end. I'd share if I could, but I don't think it would be a very good idea, see, so I won't. Sowwie.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Dear one, I said I understood your logic. I just don't agree with it.

If Cabbie's going to get modkilled then he's dead anyway. Say he's a wolf. (Best case, I know, but go with me.) We lynch Person X because we don't go with your plan, and Person X is also a wolf. Two down in one Day! Obviously this could work the other way too but I for one am not comfortable voting someone who can't be harm nor good to us right now and is going to die anyway. Nothing is gained without risk, and while we do have a higher chance of hitting two innocents that way I think it's a risk we have to take, especially if we think we can peg a wolf (who isn't Cab). I'll be holding my vote, so rest assured that if there's a gifted reveal, I'm wholeheartedly willing to go along with your plan (if there's no other choice). It just doesn't seem too likely to me, and I'd much rather have the second victim (for lack of a better word) be someone I suspect than someone who I don't even know is going to return.

Sounds to me like an overly crafted way to do a quick safe lynch toDay. Whether or not you're evil I'm suspicious of the plan itself, because it just doesn't work in the true best interest of the village. If we kill McCaber toDay and he'd be dead anyway, we've gotten nowhere, and besides, people can go along with it just to go along with it and then where are we for toMorrow?

Don't get me wrong, dear. It's a good contingency plan. Just not a good formal strategy.

This is a good point as well. I definitely like the idea of getting two wolves! However I'm at the point where I need to vote because my internet keeps on going down, and I would hate for it to not come back up at some point. So as much as I would like to get two wolves, I'm going to have to vote for Cabs. The reason I'm going to vote for Cabs is because I'm not sure if we'd be able to kill two wolves. The odds or more in the favor of us killing another ordo. And I really think we need all the villagers that we can have especially since the wolves have that double kill. I also would hate for us to take out one of the gifteds. Now there is also the chance that Cabs could be a gifted. I would really hate for that to be the case.

With all that here goes...

++McCaber

Edit: x-ed with Lottie and Boro

[Inziladun]

Boro's probably gone, but I still don't like this.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It's impossible to lose the # of lynch chances you get in a game. Let's say we lynch someone else and McCaber's mod-fired, that's 2 chances (1 day) at a wolf. If we lynch the person who was going to be modfired 1 chance (1 day), but with the 1-less death, do the math...we either delay and get an extra-day phase (2nd chance) or pick up an extra-night phase giving the ranger, or hunter extra chances to succeed.

I keep coming back to the sticking point that by voting a modfire, we're in effect forfeiting our lynch. Yes, it means we're not killing someone who could be innocent who wasn't going to be gone anyway, but it also means there are still four wolves out there who are safe for another Day.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

And again it's not wasting any chance we have t lynch a wolf...none whatsoever. Do the math, do you want 2 chances at a wolf, in 1 day or 2 chances in 2 days? So I'm doing it because I'm tired of arguing this, as I argued it the last time I advocated it. When you come to realize I'm right, I will rub it in your face, just so you know. ]++McCaber

This just seems counter-productive for the village.

Originally Posted by autume98

The reason I'm going to vote for Cabs is because I'm not sure if we'd be able to kill two wolves. The odds or more in the favor of us killing another ordo. And I really think we need all the villagers that we can have especially since the wolves have that double kill. I also would hate for us to take out one of the gifteds. Now there is also the chance that Cabs could be a gifted. I would really hate for that to be the case.

With all that here goes...

++McCaber

There's always the chance of unknowingly killing a Gifted. And also the chance of bagging a wolf.

x/d with all since 273

[Paranoia]

Originally Posted by autume98

This is a good point as well. I definitely like the idea of getting two wolves! However I'm at the point where I need to vote because my internet keeps on going down, and I would hate for it to not come back up at some point. So as much as I would like to get two wolves, I'm going to have to vote for Cabs. The reason I'm going to vote for Cabs is because I'm not sure if we'd be able to kill two wolves. The odds or more in the favor of us killing another ordo. And I really think we need all the villagers that we can have especially since the wolves have that double kill. I also would hate for us to take out one of the gifteds. Now there is also the chance that Cabs could be a gifted. I would really hate for that to be the case.

With all that here goes...

++McCaber

Edit: x-ed with Lottie and Boro

Uh... first thing of note; isn't any vote on someone who's inactive essentially a wasted vote? Caber has as equal a chance at being a wolf as anyone else. If that's the case just letting the modkill take care of him'd be enough for me; I'd rather look for the wolves among the people who are at least actively posting. At least they're the ones who won't catch themselves for us, so uh, I'm not sure what the Caber vote accomplishes...