WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and I love retractable votes, but I'll just drive myself mad if I have a free pass to mindchanging sitting around. With that....

++Sally

--Sally


I'm analyzing the votes so far, but please be patient, as I'm really scatterbrained today. That and....well, a nap sounds lovely....and Boro's shoulder is so comfy....

[Morsul the Dark]

Let's all use our retractable votes so if a wold happens to trick us we're done. With my track record I'm saving mine

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Let's all use our retractable votes so if a wold happens to trick us we're done. With my track record I'm saving mine

Ah, yes, do tell us all your evil plans. Tell us now!

*waits with baited....yes, I actually mean baited....breath*

[Morsul the Dark]

Plans? I have none last few times it came down to my vote I made the wolves win, I'm going to try Not to repeat that

[Morsul the Dark]

Agan changed Avatars mid-game Obviously Evil!!!!(Joking)

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Agan changed Avatars mid-game Obviously Evil!!!!(Joking)

Just returned back to my old self because I like it better and recognise it faster.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Just returned back to my old self because I like it better and recognise it faster.

*concurs* I kept thinking there was a new player but then looked to the side and saw it was you...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Plans? I have none last few times it came down to my vote I made the wolves win, I'm going to try Not to repeat that

Okay... I wanted to say that generally, I dislike the idea of using up retractions when we already have them, as that kind of ruins the point, but then again that I understand the danger hidden in that, but now that Morsul said it... I know exactly what he is referring to, because it happened in the game I have modded, on the last Day he voted early, Wolves bandwaggoned it, and the Wolves won. On the other hand, such things can be (in most cases) avoided with careful reasoning before voting. Also, of course, if people decide to keep their votes, it would have the point only in the case if they keep it for really until late, otherwise it might end up just with the scenario outlined by the retraction-opponents, that is, that all innocents use up their retractions in a few first Days' voting and the WWs then all have their retractions and outsmart the village.

EDIT: x-ed since Agan changed her avvie (so basically since the post I quote)

[Glirdan]

Sorry it took me so long....Those horse radishes were being rather stubborn, stampeding all of the place and trampling my feet.... Sheez...(AKA: Read the Admin thread). And now there are so many people that I don't think I have enough tea Well, we shall make do!! And Sally, what have I said about that tea pot!! Anywhoseits, I shall return again after I have read all these posts.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Sorry it took me so long....Those horse radishes were being rather stubborn, stampeding all of the place and trampling my feet.... Sheez...(AKA: Read the Admin thread). And now there are so many people that I don't think I have enough tea Well, we shall make do!! And Sally, what have I said about that tea pot!! Anywhoseits, I shall return again after I have read all these posts.

I'M NOT IN THE TEA POT, YOU SILLY BUGGER!

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^*scrabbles across the keyboard to get away from mean Glirdan*^

[Glirdan]

First off, hello wintywinty and welcome!! Second:

Originally Posted by Tweedledum

Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.

Oh my...he really does seem to be a plain old innocent for this comment....yet Nerwen brings up an excellent point:

Originally Posted by Dodo

*sigh* Now I suppose we have to decide whether this is innocent or guilty-looking. Would a wolfywolfy's* packmates have shown him the ropes on Night One, and told him not to do this? Or would they have left him in the dark in the hope that he'd look like a confused innocent? Or is he, in fact, innocent? You know, the usual.

He very well could be simply a confused innocent or a really smart wolfywolfy....Currently I'm inclined to believe the first.

And Nerwen's sigh threw me off there too...A sigh of exasperation. Perhaps either because she is exasperated with the newbie thing or perhaps a sigh of exasperation of her fellow packmate?

Originally Posted by Lommy

Lottie and Glirdan are a bit too excited about IC posting, but I don't think it makes them necessarily guilty.

You would be too if you were as crazy about tea as I am!! Oh, and happy unbirthday!

Originally Posted by Morsul

Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

Either way I find the votes meaningless and suspect.

Nothing about Day 1 is meaningless. What happens on Day 1 is our foundation for what is to happen in the later Days. Yes, most of the posting at the start is purely IC, random and sometimes completely pointless, but not always. There was a game not too long ago that I played where I got Hunter-Killed by a certain someone on Day 1 *coughMORSULcough* and most of that Day's discussion was purely speculation on some of the rules and thus led to the votes that were placed. (Or maybe I'm mixing that up with the game BEFORE it was restarted )

Originally Posted by Lottie

Gut feeling: Wolfie. LET'S HUNT WOLVES!! W00T! <= wolfly behavior. No other reasons as of yet.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Now this is mostly banter with Mira, which raises the possibility of a Glirdy-Mira wolf partners...I doubt it, though. I think, if Glirdy's wolfly, then Mira's probably innocent...which, coincidentally, lines up with my impressions of her, as well. Also the Lottie song parody/Shasta tea thing seems to be sort of a "haha, don't vote me, I'm nice" buttering up sort of thing...although it might also be banter. Either way, not a particularly favorable impression - I dislike buttering up; I actually suspect suspicion of me far less than trust of me. I'm weird that way, I know.

Come on now chica (sorry...just finished performing West Side Story last weekend, Puerto Rican accent still in head), you've played with me before, have you not? It was all IC posting at that point.

Originally Posted by Agan

Glirdy. Content? Where's the actual content?

Sorry, would have posted more if it weren't for the fact that, as I have mentioned in the Admin thread, a good portion of the Day happens to occur during my sleeping hours and then six hours of schooling (with rehearsals every once in awhile afterwards) so I could not get much in other then IC stuff. By the way, it is a pleasure to play with you for the first time!

Originally Posted by Lommy

Glirdy - lots of banter, little substance = typical early Day1 Glirdy but slightly annoying.

Love you too.

As for all of this retracting of the votes this early, I see the points raised on why it we should do it. However, personally, knowing my track record, I'm going to hold onto mine for a Day or two more.

As it stands I am still at a loss of who to suspect and who not to...Lottie kinda stands out for me right now, but that might just be because she thinks I'm a Wolf.

I'm giving Agan a vote pass seeing as it has been a year since she's last played. I'm also giving a vote pass to skip and ww as the newbies to the game....Which leave everyone else.....

Okay, I'm going to go do a little more scrutinizing after I've found something to eat....

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Let's all use our retractable votes so if a wold happens to trick us we're done. With my track record I'm saving mine

Whoops. On first glance this looked like Morsul was advocating getting rid of our retractions. Didn't catch the sarcasm, my bad.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Whoops. On first glance this looked like Morsul was advocating getting rid of our retractions. Didn't catch the sarcasm, my bad.

Lol. You're great. I'm not entirely sure he's joking though, or at least that he's being completely innocent in said joke. But again, paranoid.

[satansaloser2005]

Grar. I want Lottie to live to see another Day, if only one.

++Legate


For being too excited to lynch Lottie.

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

You best, I love that song.


*snuggles her Wonderlanders*

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by me

Why is Mira the most suspicious to you, my dear? Possibly you said so already and I just missed it.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Mostly because of this comment though:

Basically, "It's suspicious because it could go either way."

Hmm. Makes sense, I guess. I might go for Mira in lieu of the Lottie-wagon.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

However it's always best for the seer to not reveal during the last-minute voting frenzy.

But you never know when a Seer or other Gifted might be backed in a corner, thinking they're going to be lynched. Then, a reveal is their only chance.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I agree that this Lottie bandwagon doesn't look great. I'm still a bit confused as to why she looks so suspicious. From what I'm getting, it's because of her silly behaviour*, which tends to be a popular reason for a Day One vote, though more often than not that person turns out innocent. I can't really say yet if anyone who's part of the bandwagon is necessarily suspicious. There could be a wolf among them (4 voters now, right?), but there's also a good chance that all of them are just lazy and taking the easy route in terms of voting.

True, and Lottie could well be a wolf. This train just looks evil to me, though.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I'd like to avoid this bandwagon, but let's all be careful about creating a second bandwagon too. Often a second bandwagon formed due to the disliking of the first can end up being just as disastrous, if not more when it's done last minute.

Also a good point. Trouble is, I'm not sure who else to go for.

x/d with Wilwa and Nog

[Inziladun]

Time to vote.

I'm tempted to go for Nog, since I still do not see the point of his 'case' against me. Then again, it would probably be a throwaway.

Let's see...

ww: newbie pass.

Mira: Hmm..I don't have anything on her beyond what Agan said.

Fea; I wasn't fond of her vote, but that seems rather reckless for a Feawolf, as it drew a lot of attention to her. That's not generally a desirable thing for a wolf.

It's the people who have jumped on the Lottie-train that are more worrying.
Nog said Greenie has RL reasons for maybe giving a dodgy vote.

Which leaves Lommy and Legate. But I don't really want to vote for either of them right now, because they've mostly been making sense otherwise.

In that case:

++Mira

[Nienna]

Zil I really don't like your vote. You are voting based on someone else's very weak suspicions. I'm not saying that Mira can't be guilty or even that she shouldn't be voted for but in the same post you write how you don't have anything against her except what Agan said and then you vote for her. I just don't like it.

Edit: x-ed with 2 Glirdys

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Fea; I wasn't fond of her vote, but that seems rather reckless for a Feawolf, as it drew a lot of attention to her. That's not generally a desirable thing for a wolf.

Well, Fea likes the attention no matter her role, which is the biggest question, because it serves no indication of her role. Ya, Ni is correct, she's being very "Fea" but that' doesn't mean much at this point, or it could mean anything.

It gives the "I don't care" persona, but that's quite far from the truth when it comes to Fea. She does, make no mistake. I wouldn't read too much into the Day 1 vote, there's no doubt a reason...could be as simple as being busy, and wanting to vote, or thinking that Day 1 really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

The good news is there's a ying and a yang. She loves the attention, and is certainly great at attracting it. Why she is? Who knows? However, carefully watch her for a few days and you can catch her if the motives are sinister. Just hope it's not too late, like when she was a recent lover and flat out owned the village and wolves' with Sauce.

[Brinniel]

Hmm...I see there's some Legate suspicion happening, and I'm not sure I like it. On one hand, his vote does look pretty bad and bandwaggonish. But then again, a move like that just seems too obvious to be coming from a wolfish Legate. From what I recall, he's much subtler than that when he's a wolf. I suppose it's always possible a wolfish Legate could be just changing up his style, but I'm not going to hold any suspicion on him based solely on that vote.

Anyway, it is time to vote:

++Fea

It's not unusual for her to vote out of thin air and disappear, and it doesn't say anything about her role. But for once, I'd like her to actually explain her vote. Voting that early without an explanation is a dangerous thing, and it can start bandwagons as we are already seeing. While it's certainly possible it's just an innocent Fea having fun, I could also very well see an evil Fea pulling it off thinking she can get away with such a vote with little scrutiny...she has before. And not only has she not explained her vote, but she has not made any sort of contribution. Only two posts, a vote and banter. Perhaps she is busy, but so am I. If you're going to make a vote, then explain it. Whether the reasoning is good or poor, there should always be at least some explanation. It doesn't take long to write a sentence or two.

EDIT: X-ed with Izzy

[Glirdan]

Okay, so I am back and with a slightly clearer (albeit, it's still a little hazed, not gonna lie) view on things.

Nogrod – Cheshire Cat

For some reason I never suspect this guy....Maybe it's just because he always comes across as the level-headed one among us (which is saying something this time around ) or maybe it's just a charm he has....Although his vote for Fea has me a little worried. Voting for her simply for initiating the voting for Lottie? What reason is that? The bandwagon for Lottie (at least the voting anyway) did not start until well AFTER she had voted.....Hmmm....

Wintywinty – Tweedledum

Newbie pass

Boro88 – the Caterpillar

No read on him as of yet....Want to vote him but that would just be a retaliation vote

Isabellkya – White Rabbit

Has been rather quiet this time around. Maybe there is something RL that is preventing her from being here, or maybe it is a Wolvish tactic to try and sneak by?

Mira – March Hare

I have no read of my fellow tea patron

Sally – the Dormouse

Seems to be, well, Sally: Confusing and unreadable (and thank you for getting out of the tea pot!) yet I see nothing that indicates Wolvish behavior....yet.

Agan – Queen of Hearts

Giving a pass to her as she hasn't played in a year and I don't want to see her go just yet and has also been making some wonderful contributions to the game.

Inzil – King of Hearts

No read on His Grace

Shasta – Knave of Hearts

His vote for Greenie came out of nowhere and looks to me as if it is a Wolf trying to perhaps save one of his own from being lynched. Yet would a Wolf be so bold?

Lottie – Duchess

I don't know what to make of her....However, last time I played with her, we both were innocent and she got lynched Day 1....after having pinned all three Wolves on Day 1 (The sad thing is it happened to me on Day 2 )

Nerwen – the Dodo

Seemed a little too overprotective of winty initially, but that could easily have been her being exasperated with the newbie.

Legate – Jabberwocky

Has definitely been one of the few people talking sense all Day. Yet his vote for Lottie has me a little perplexed. He stated that he did not like all the bandwagon votes and suspicions for her yet he himself later voted her? True he had stated suspicions of her for awhile, but his vote almost seems as if he's making it to ensure her being lynched....Hmmmm....

Morsul – the Mock Turtle

Has seemed very Morsul like....which bugs me....Yet last time I voted him, he ended up being the Hunter and he Hunter killed me....So I think I'm going to leave him be for the time being.

Nienna – White Queen

Seems to be flying under the radar....perhaps a little too much, at least for my liking. Wolvish tactic to stay clear perhaps?

Fea – Red Queen

Her vote for Lottie is the only thing that holds any suspicion for me, yet it could very well be a Cobbler tactic....However, as pointed out earlier, the Cobbler can prove to be our downfall later in the game. Or maybe the vote was simply to be rid of her retractable vote?

Skip – Humpty Dumpty

Also getting a Newbie pass

Lommy – the Gryphon

I have no read on her.

Greenie – White Knight

Her vote for Lottie seems kind of like a bandwagon vote to me.

Brinniel – Tweedledee

Her posts all well thought out and full of substance


Okay, will make a list, will post it in a few and perhaps with my vote as well.

EDIT: Xed with Zil, Boro, Moddess and who knows who else....

[Glirdan]

A Vote Update!


Fea -------> Lottie
winty -------> Brinn
Lommy ---> Lottie(2)
Boro ------> Glirdan
Greenie --> Lottie(3)
Morsul ----> winty
Agan ------> Mira
Legate ----> Lottie(4)
Skip -------> Fea
Shasta ----> Greenie
Sally -------> Legate
Nogrod ---> Fea(2)
Zil ----------> Mira(2)

[Glirdan]

Not Voting
Winty
Skip
Agan
Brinn
Morsul

Probably Won't Vote
Sally
Nerwen
Boro
Izzy
Mira
Inzil
Nienna
Lommy

Could Vote For
Fea
Lottie
Nogrod
Legate
Greenie
Shasta


By the by, this is not necessarily in order (as in the could vote for, just because Fea is at the top does not mean she's my top suspect)

EDIT: Xed wiht Lottie, Brinn and Izzy

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Grar. I want Lottie to live to see another Day, if only one.

[*highlight]++Legate[/highlight*]


For being too excited to lynch Lottie.

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

If you want me to live to see another Day, try not wasting your vote on someone who is not at all likely to die.

[wintywinty]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Grar. I want Lottie to live to see another Day, if only one.

++Legate


For being too excited to lynch Lottie.

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

This seems suspicious, as if he is attempting to remain innocent, but throws away a vote on someone who is obviously not going to be lynched, not helping save Lottie, even though he states he wants her to live.

[Thinlómien]

...? Now winwin seriously baffles me. I'll think about it toMorrow if we're both alive - now I'm too tired (just suddenly got veery sleepy, but after all it's midnight here...)

So, my vote

++Glirdan

I'm willing to give Zil the benefit of doubt for toDay, and I'm not convinced enough of Sally's guilt to give her a third vote, especially now that her recent defense has left me with mixed feelings. Mira? Brinn? Nog? Not enough actual points to make a vote against them. So Glirdan it is. For reasons:

Originally Posted by me

- Glirdan (says the bandwagon is ridiculous and asks why get rid of Lottie since she's good at spotting wolves... really, most of us are good at that at our best, and should we lynch those who aren't just to ensure they'll never learn?)

Originally Posted by me, bolding added only now to emphasise the point

Suspicious
Glirdan - weird comment against the Lottie wagon, had all the wagoned-for people on his suspicion list late yesterDay yet still made a throwaway vote and refused to take sides.

Have a good chat and lynch a wolf! Good night!


edit: xed with Agan & Mira

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Yes dear, would you care to explain that one for me please?

How about you first explain to me...

wintywinty's vote is more suspicious. I do agree with whoever suggested it might be of a wolfish nature and xe was told to act newbieish to allay suspicion. Or it could be a newbie mistake.

...why his vote is more suspicious because it could go either way? That was my main issue about your post, not the fact that you defended Fea.
Do you also want me to explain again why I suspected Morsul more than Lottie?

Oh and do you have any other reason to consider voting for me but that I suspect you?

And wintywinty now that you're apparently here, could you please answer my question? Who said Brinn is a good player?

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

How about you first explain to me...

...why his vote is more suspicious because it could go either way? That was my main issue about your post, not the fact that you defended Fea.
Do you also want me to explain again why I suspected Morsul more than Lottie?

Oh and do you have any other reason to consider voting for me but that I suspect you?

That was really me floundering for something to contribute than anything else. And no, I got the Morsul thing, and so far you suspicion is really the only reason I'm considering voting for you. I could look for more basis if you'd like.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Back from Alice in Wonderland to... Alirin in Wonderland. Okay, let's see...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

This looks to me a lot like a wolf preparing to leap on an easy victim (or turn on a packmate, whatever), then hastily going into damage control mode when it doesn't work out.

I have actually noticed that earlier too, just before I have left. I am keeping it in the back of my head, though my thoughts about sally are not particularly clear at the moment.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Sally demands an explanation for this suspicion crap. Like, seriously?

I'll explain the thing with Morsul and Shasta though, because I can see how you would be confused. I suspected Morsul already and had been planning to say something about it, so when Shasta did as well I was like "Look, yay, support, I'm not crazy". Then Shasta says he realized Morsul was kidding (yeah, because NO ONE has every hidden behind jokes before, oh noes, never) and I thought it was strange because for pity's sake, that was a quick flip flop and quite the lame excuse. So then I made it clear that I suspected Morsul anyway, 'cause I hadn't been following Shasta in the first place, he just happened to post first.


Oh, and did no one see that I'd been suspecting Lottie from the beginning? Sure, Legate can say he started the trend but I said "Something's not right with her" well toward the beginning of the Day. (Yes, I know, I was clearly wrong, but that's not the point.) And I never went toward a "Save Lottie she's innocent" point of view. The only thing I said that could be read like that was that I wanted to not kill her on Day One (AGAIN) and that I thought there were better candidates.



Really, this is ridiculous. I think you've all been putting things in your tea.

But this sounds a rather too over-the-top defensive thing and somehow, the defense sounds just fabricated. That didn't help you at least in my eyes, sally. But whatever...

I am sure I had several more important things to say, but as I did not happen to quote them, I apparently forgot them. Okay, one of them was that I don't have any idea about Glirdan, and he does not seem suspicious to me (or suspicious enough to suspect him, if you get my meaning) as he does to many other people. Otherwise... something of Zil's replies made me think that he would be a lot more aggressive if he were a Wolf, on the other hand maybe he just doesn't want to retaliate on me as it would be dangerous for him... but anyway, I am still unsure about him. And yes, one last thing was probably Brinn, whose answer did not convince me about that there were not ulterior motives in not mentioning (nobody said she'd have to look at it herself, but she could have proposed it) looking at the bandwagon she was in (for more details to get a clear idea about what I mean by this look at one of my first posts toDay).

EDIT: x-ed with about ten posts since WW

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Why I find that suspicious then? If you were an innocent and thought there was something to scrutinise there, then you would have given it a thought - and even a slight thought would have told you immediately there wasn't. So can we infer that you actually didn't care? If you don't care to think about it that little as to see there's nothing to speculate there, then it would look like you are not caring about it. But still you wish to say that aloud, that "his vote should be scrutinised", which makes me think you were more concentrated on thinking how to make yourself look concerned than being actually concerned about the possibility of learning whether winty-w is good or bad (like if you knew it already or something?) - and just didn't realised that what you suggested might look good but when looked at more closely turns out ridiculous for anyone who is actually interested in on what side winty-w is...

The whole thing wasn't really about ww at all. I was agreeing with Nerwen that his vote ought to be looked at, and disagreeing with Agan's wariness of Nerwen for doing just that. You're grasping at straws, mate.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Hey Nog you posted the same post twice.


Sorry but would you care to speak English that's understandable even to a non-native speaker so I don't have to spend a twice longer time reading your post than I would need for anyone else?

As you might have noticed I didn't play in last game. And it's perfectly alright to point out what you find odd, but your thought process in the post I found suspicious seemed half-hearted and lazy and somehow far-fetched too (the part that Lommy or someone else pointed out). Give better reasons for your suspicions and I might change my mind about you.

But yeah as for now

++Mirandir

because thus far she seems the most suspicious to me.

oh and

--Mirandir
++Mirandi

as I dislike retrackies anyway, and this is what I think everyone should do because otherwise the wolves will probably use them against us in the end.

Why is Mira the most suspicious to you, my dear? Possibly you said so already and I just missed it.
Anyway, I agree that wolves can make good use of a retractable vote, but so can the good side. What happens if one votes early, then has to contend with a Seer reveal, or something of that nature toward the end of the Day? Being able to retract comes in handy then. So I'm not retracting unless I see a need for it.

Also, I think I agree with the Boropillar that this push against Lottie looks bad.

x/d with all since # 91

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Like "and where might you know that from, Nightly talks perchance?" although you probably have another explanation for that... or do you? (Only a totally stupid Wolf would, however, do that. Which makes me think that, if this does not have any logical explanation, you might be a Cobbler wanting us to think you are a Wolf and knowing it - thus making a blind shot - which would be funnily underlined now if WW said "I am a she", nah but whatever, I assume this is useless speculation as you probably have an explanation.)

I know him in RL, dear.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I seem to recall seeing her post on Facebook, trying to convince TGEW to join and telling that if she did three Alaskans would be playing... so I assume that's the explanation.

Yup.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Eurgh. Sorry. My concentration is poor today.

I know this reasoning is outrageously bad, but I'll tell it anyway because it's what I'm thinking: I'm kind of afraid that Lottie will become this typical Day 1 easy lynch (ordo), but then again, she's the only one I have any valid point at all, so

[*highlight]++ Lottie[/highlight*]

EDIT: eek x-ed since Boro

Okay. Seriously? I think we need to stop lynched Little Lottie Day 1 every game.

~~~

Sally's in a teacup,
Little Dormouse.
What are you hiding?
Does Glirdy know?
If we go to lynch you,
What will we find?
Ordo, wolfie, or special kind?
Ordo, wolfie, or special kind?

^no, really, I want to know. I think you're looking rather evil, but...

EDIT: xed with peoples and will be leaving until about an hour before dl.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Someone (Agan?) compared the retrackies to the phantom's game where people had 10 extra-votes and how the wolves kept them and in the end ran over the innocents with their pile of votes.

Imagine some innocents, a couple of wolves. The innocents have used (most of) their retractions, the wolves haven't. The wolves can vote for whomever is the most convenient for them and then, when most other votes have been given, unite and direct their votes towards an innocent who is lynched, and nobody else can do anything. Because I can see that scenario, I'd rather eliminate it before the wolves have even a chance to try it.

Originally Posted by skip spence

Okay, I'm not accusing you of anything, sweetheart, but a retractable vote is useful for anyone, is it not?

Mmh yeah but the wolves have the advantage of being able to talk in private. That way they can make plans about using the votes, among other things, whereas whatever we others say, the wolves see it too. And the wolves are fine with killing anybody but one of them, while it's not quite so simple for us. So even if the retractable votes might be useful for us, we can't really base our plans on them...

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Why is Mira the most suspicious to you, my dear? Possibly you said so already and I just missed it.

Originally Posted by me

Mira. Suspecting newbies is just way too easy, and at the same time she clears Fea's vote (despite the 'on a more serious note' start, the whole comment looked like a joke though).

Mostly because of this comment though:

Originally Posted by Mira

wintywinty's vote is more suspicious. I do agree with whoever suggested it might be of a wolfish nature and xe was told to act newbieish to allay suspicion. Or it could be a newbie mistake.

Basically, "It's suspicious because it could go either way."

Originally Posted by Inzil

Anyway, I agree that wolves can make good use of a retractable vote, but so can the good side. What happens if one votes early, then has to contend with a Seer reveal, or something of that nature toward the end of the Day?

Might happen. However it's always best for the seer to not reveal during the last-minute voting frenzy.
Also, retractable votes and the 'who receives the highest number of votes last' rule are a bad combination in the case of a tie because if a wolf (or somebody else) wants to drive a lynch, they wait till the last possible moment, retract and vote again.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

*concurs* I kept thinking there was a new player but then looked to the side and saw it was you...

Haha sorry. On one hand I'm sorry to let go of my previous avvie (a Goya painting ♥) but on the other hand... Scar is Scar, and worth another ♥.

Okay I'll go to sleep now, night babies.

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Mmh yeah but the wolves have the advantage of being able to talk in private. That way they can make plans about using the votes, among other things, whereas whatever we others say, the wolves see it too. And the wolves are fine with killing anybody but one of them, while it's not quite so simple for us. So even if the retractable votes might be useful for us, we can't really base our plans on them...

I understood your reasoning from the beginning. But with your angle, holding on to this option would appear suspicious and for wolves to retract his or her vote early on would divert attention away from them unless all others quickly follow suit.

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Almost forgot to vote.

++Fea

(don't know how to make that red)

Explanation to be found in earlier post. Good night!

[Nogrod]

Skip: take the B from the brackets of bolding off and write highlight instead of the B's.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Almost forgot to vote.

++Fea

(don't know how to make that red)

Explanation to be found in earlier post. Good night!

Skippy (hehe!):

Instead of the B in the tag, type highlight. Easy as pie (in your eye). ^_^


EDIT: D'oh. x'd with Noggins, who was also using his noggin.

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*


Getting too late... so just in brief.


Glirdan – Mad Hatter
Seems more suspicious than not but then again that's a way-long tradition with me. I just don't get his way of playing with nothing said. Annoying.

Wintywinty – Tweedledum
Newbie-pass, but should really pull himself together on D2.

Boro88 – the Caterpillar
I will not vote him without a good reason on D1 but I am a little concerned about his "minimum-effort fly-through".

Isabellkya – White Rabbit
Her first post was like a breeze of fresh air. The only one I'm more or less confident in trusting. Stress on the words "more or less".

Mira – March Hare
I'm not sure if making her a primary suspect was a bit far-fetched but it was not from thin air either. Hard to say. Could be the sneaky wolf trying to fly under everyone's radar, but voting her would be quite a shot in the dark anyway.

Sally – the Dormouse
I never get her. First I thought she was more careful than normally (I think someone mentioned that early on the Day and that made me look at her that way) but now I'm more or less without an opinion. She's one of the "followers" though: retrackies & the newest "against Lottie band-wagon"...


An intermediate thought: heh, lots of people suspected Lottie but the table seems to have turned and now the "following" is taking the opposite opinion - although interestingly enough some still went with her; so is it brave and sincere or brave and cunning? Seeing the tide turning one must say that deciding to vote for her (Greenie, Legate, at least) were quite daring - looking at the change of the general mood.


Agan – Queen of Hearts
I see she is enjoying her first game in a year and would feel bad urging to lynch her - but she's no cutie when a wolf, even if she knows how to appear as one. There are things that bother me but not enough to really suspect her at this point.

Inzil – King of Hearts
His explanations on the issue I rose, well the way he made them, look somewhat more innocent than not. Then again his need to use most of his time defending and thus talking very little of other things beside that defence makes me a bit worried still.

Shasta – Knave of Hearts
When do I ever learn to read him? But his jump on Morsul looks a bit bad indeed.

Lottie – Duchess
I still think she is suspicious but looking at how many others think the same makes me wonder whether it would be that easy.

Nerwen – the Dodo
Mainly speaks sense and thus is dangerous unless one has reason not to suspect her. The tiny row with Agan was just creepy - like someone said (Legate?): let's pray it was not a wolf-on-wolf.

Legate – Jabberwocky
Mainly speaks sense and thus is dangerous unless one has reason not to suspect him.

Morsul – the Mock Turtle
He looks so darn suspicious but then again he looks so much like the normal Morsul. I'd say voting him is more like trying to find an easy target on D1.

Nienna – White Queen
No idea.

Fea – Red Queen
Because of her actions I had to check the rules on whether the cursed knows about her/his status. Well the cursed does not know it so there goes the theory. I find it interesting she picked Lottie (which was that early exactly my spotting as well - many things have changed after that though), but also this one made me worried: "But We're so stylish!" (post #47) So if not the cursed then maybe the cobbler sending hints? Or then just toying around and having fun?

Skip – Humpty Dumpty
Not only a "newbie-card" for D1 but also I think he has been making a lot of sense.

Lommy – the Gryphon
Oh my. Why can't I bee the seer again and just check her?

Greenie – White Knight
I didn't like her vote and the grounds for it - but then as RL information I must say that she really has had quite a day of her life (her music diploma performance) and I could understand she was not into concentrating to this like 100%...

Brinniel – Tweedledee
Reasonable and scary. As always.


Looks like a headache before going to sleep...

(~~~) *grin emerging*



(~~~) *grin re-emerging*

EDIT: X'd with a few...

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[Brinniel]

I agree that this Lottie bandwagon doesn't look great. I'm still a bit confused as to why she looks so suspicious. From what I'm getting, it's because of her silly behaviour*, which tends to be a popular reason for a Day One vote, though more often than not that person turns out innocent. I can't really say yet if anyone who's part of the bandwagon is necessarily suspicious. There could be a wolf among them (4 voters now, right?), but there's also a good chance that all of them are just lazy and taking the easy route in terms of voting.

I'd like to avoid this bandwagon, but let's all be careful about creating a second bandwagon too. Often a second bandwagon formed due to the disliking of the first can end up being just as disastrous, if not more when it's done last minute.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

A retraction is a good idea when you are not sure you can be back before the DL and need to vote just to be sure you vote - and then you suddenly are able to come back and major things have happened meanwhile.

That's exactly why I'd rather like to keep my retraction. With my limited time schedule, there's a good chance something like this could happen, so I'd rather not waste it. Yes, retractions can be helpful to the wolves, but they can also be helpful to innocents.

*Correct me if I'm wrong. I admit I'm not reading posts thoroughly because I'm multi-tasking with schoolwork, so I could easily be missing something here.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Okay I'll go to sleep now, night babies.

Baybees? What exacitically do u mean? Early to bed early to rise to eat your baybees?

*clears throat* But in serious voice now, what exacitically is the deal with all these gushy terms? Babies and sweethearts?

Originally Posted by skip

Okay, I'm not accusing you of anything, sweetheart, but a retractable vote is useful for anyone, is it not?