Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread)

[Isabellkya]

Glirdan and Loslote, why would Nienna talking/agreeing with Nog make him more innocent? She may be a proven innocent, but that doesn't mean that proven innocents only trust/agree with other innocents. She didn't have seer powers, so...

Inziladun, Fea voted for Mira. but I believe she said "stick" and I believe that is Mira. #152


Pitch. When I voted.. I believe there were a bunch of people with no votes, or one vote. So instead if adding to those whom had multiple votes, I wanted to place mine with those whom had n/one so as to avoid a mass tie. I'd have to check the actual numbers, since my tally is now undecipherable as to which votes were where when I voted. lol.

That is true Nog. I've no personal connections to Nienna, nor a Hunter. I would prefer the Hunter/Nienna still be around - because then it would make the wolves sweat just a lil' more while making their kill decisions. Now, they don't have to worry about hitting the hunter, whom could be aimed at them.

If there was wolf-save-wolf voting going on, would they perhaps try to do it earlier in the Day; so as to maybe try and direct other votes that way? Or at least not hold on to all of their votes until the deadline?

With people saying they trust X person, perhaps you can elaborate on it. Why do you trust them? Instead of saying "player x: Just because".


As I said at the end of the day, yesterDay. Actually, those were my parting words, as I'd thought I was going. Yes, this is a popularity themed contest game, but don't lose sight that our goal is to catch the wolves. So trusting people just because they are your friends, or because you think they sing songs nicely. Wolves can't sing? Haven't you read The Three Little pigs story, from the POV of the wolf? (If I remember correctly, the wolf sang in it, or read a poem.)


X'd with Pitch.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

As I said at the end of the day, yesterDay. Actually, those were my parting words, as I'd thought I was going. Yes, this is a popularity themed contest game, but don't lose sight that our goal is to catch the wolves. So trusting people just because they are your friends, or because you think they sing songs nicely. Wolves can't sing? Haven't you read The Three Little pigs story, from the POV of the wolf? (If I remember correctly, the wolf sang in it, or read a poem.)


X'd with Pitch.

We do seem to have lost sight of our goal. . . Some people are doing some very nice analyzing, but it seems to be used for finding Simons and not for hunting wolves.

As it looks right now we will probably end up lynching alot of innocent not-extremely vocal players, so Nogrod should be thrilled. A vocal player who attracts alot of suspicion, will always have a few supporters. . . and that is all you need to survive.

I think our succes in this game will rely on having active leaders (simons), unless we can come up with some other system of voting.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

OK, before I do anything else:

Firstly, as Pitch has already said, it's the other way around. Also, I don't think any of our two posts were meant totally seriously. Next you'll suggest that Pitchwife was going to create a craziness scale and vote (wait, no, lynch ) people higher up.

#60, #65, #69, #72, #77,#82, and #85 are all debating with Nog about suspecting vs. trusting. I don't know about anyone else, but I found that annoying to read through the first time (when I thought dl was fast approaching and was trying to get caught up) and extremely suspicious the next few times. Steve explains his earlier posts; qualifies his earlier posts; and flip-flops a lot, all the while arguing with Nog.
Firstly, the last of those posts was made when there were three hours until the planned DL. Three hours! If you miscalculated the time then you shouldn't attack me just because you were in a bad mood. Anyway, all I was saying in all of those posts is that in this game we're given a new weapon against the wolves. Why waste it and try to turn this into a normal game when
(a) We haven't yet explored this new style of voting; and
(b) We can't turn this into a normal game anyway because we're voting for the opposite thing?

That's not to say that no-one should post their suspicions (as I have said countless times before now). That's what a large proportion of posts are anyway. That's what needs to be done in order to do anything in this game. It's just that I don't think these fake votes are necessary.

And then everyone assumes that I'm trying to stifle people's opinions?

And since when did Nogrod become He Who Only Speaks The Truth? It seems that everyone has just blindly followed him, because he suggested that we should mention who we find suspicious, which is what we do anyway.

However, I will say this- Yesterday there were quite a few people who didn't mention who they thought was suspicious and in this way maybe Nogrod had the right idea. It was just that I thought a fake vote was going too far.

Have you? A lot of her posts are just agreeing with people. Look at this. #51 is a good point, but #61 is just the obvious (which I'll admit I did neglect to mention in my post just before). Then she comes in with a post count which isn't really that useful. The she does make quite good point in the next post (#90), but I don't think I read that at the time (and she basically just continuing along #51's line of thought anyway). The rest of her posts were after my list.

Ok, I admit it, not only was I hypocritical there, but wrong. Happy now?


Well, if you look at my list, Izzy was on the innocent side. On my vote post, I seem to have said "x-ed with Fea" rather than "since Fea". Seeing that Pitch (who I thought more innocent) had got Fea's vote, I wanted to save Izzy too, as it didn't seem like anyone would be voting Gwath (on my suspicious list, by the way). Anything wrong with that?

Now to actually start the Day...

1. Sorry, habit.
2. But I didn't read it when you were posting, I got on and read it when there was only one hour til dl. I was starting to think I would hit dl without ever finishing your little debate!
3. Yes I am happy now.
4. That last one wasn't particularly "omg that's evil!!!" just noting what you did.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

And see what I said earlier about Lottie's wolf-spotting knack.

If you think I have a wolf-spotting knack, why do you vote my top suspect?

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Glirdan and Loslote, why would Nienna talking/agreeing with Nog make him more innocent? She may be a proven innocent, but that doesn't mean that proven innocents only trust/agree with other innocents. She didn't have seer powers, so...

Nienna is a known innocent, therefore she was not trying to mislead us, so we can take what she says at face value. That, plus the fact that Nog does look innocent, leads me to trust him.

EDIT: xed with Pitchie

[Loslote]

I will be on off and on toDay - imprompu Superbowl party means I will have people over and will be playing board games with them, but will be able to escape when guys are hitting each other. So in case I can't get on...

++Zil
++Nog
++Glirdy

For Phantom-dumping. Last vote hopefully closer to dl.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Loslote

For Phantom-dumping.

Yeah, let's dump him, by all means! He's been enough of a nuisance...

OK, it's really really bedtime for me, so lest I incur sally's Wrath:
++Nerwen
++Fea

Good night.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Lottie

If you think I have a wolf-spotting knack, why do you vote my top suspect?

Because I happen not to find him suspicious (yet). And I partially voted you as a safeguard in case I'm mistaken about him, so be content.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Because I happen not to find him suspicious (yet). And I partially voted you as a safeguard in case I'm mistaken about him, so be content.

*is content*

And, the Izzy-votes did not come as a surprise. They had all been saying "Oh I really want to vote her but I don't want to tie anything" without seeming to notice the other, what, three people saying the same thing.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I would like to be Simon again, because I trust my judgment more than anybody else's.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

However, since Ni has informed me that I can't be Simon twice in a row, I request that you make Wilwa Simon. For the following two reasons:

1) I trust her judgment, and
2) I'm not afraid to say so.

++Wilwa

And just to get the ball rolling a bit more,

++Izzy

because after yesterDay's last minute Izzy-fest, I would assume the Seer would dream of her. And since nobody has particularly hinted toward her evilness, I'm willing to go forward under the assumption that Iz is obeykaybe.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

I just feel having a known innocent agreeing with him makes him seem a little more trustworthy. Anything she said could be taken for what it is as we know for a fact she wasn't trying to mislead us. However, that is not my main reasoning for having trust in Nog (which could very well be misplaced for all I know). It is the fact that he has been making sound arguments and has been logical and bringing up rather important points and thoughts.

Don´t put your faith in logic, humans are irrational beings and deffinitly not logical.

To quote a brilliant Dane "No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical"

Anyways I will go make a post a bit more helpful than what I have done so far.

[Brinniel]

Okay, I've seen some suspicion of Formy and I'm not quite sure where it's coming from. He's only made three posts, one of which was during the Night, and none yet toDay. Based on both the content and quantity of his posts, I think he sounds more like an ordo not heavily invested in the game than a wolf.

I can see why people may be gaining this trust for Nogrod. The possibility that the wolves thought Nienna a seer makes sense. The wolves main goal is to find the seer early; Nienna is not someone I'd expect as a typical Night kill this early since she often has managed to become a good lynch target during the first half of previous games. Of course, just because it's a possibility, it doesn't mean we should absolutely trust Nogrod for that reason. I agree he looks more innocent than not, partly because he has been quite sensible and has made valid points...but let's not underestimate the chance that he could very well be fooling us.

I think I'll just make a first vote now:

++Izzy

Because I'm feeling pretty good about her at the moment.

I admit I'm not as invested in this game as I should be; even after looking through posts, I can't seem to come up with anyone worthy of seriously suspecting. I do, however, agree with the point that's been made that the wolves will more likely try to look helpful in order to rack up votes. So perhaps I should take a closer look at the more helpful players:

Loslote
Nogrod
Pitchwife
Eonwe
Glirdan

Those are the ones who have at least appeared most helpful to me so far. Now, I'm sure a few are genuinely trying to help out, but I'll bet that at least one (if not two) is a wolf.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Anyone who doesn't know the current score of the Super Bowl should die.

I think then you might've just killed the entire village.