Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

wilwarin538 · 02-07-2010, 03:44 PM

I am going to make a preliminary list before reading everything again. A *** beside someone's name means that my brain has not processed any sort of opinion on them as of yet, and I will be back later with better formed opinions of them (hence my use of the word "preliminary")

Brinn ***

Dun ***

Fea: trust, because I do.

Form: certain things about him seem a little off (Night post thing and Mira vote for him), but I still just can't see him as posting during the Night like that as a wolf. No matter how many times I try to think of it as a possibility my mind is like "What, that's impossible, it's like trying to picture phantom as a nice guy."

So I don't see him as a wolf.

Glirdan: want so badly to trust him, but the fact that him and I are agreeing about everything is sooooo weird. I'm gonna have to stay neutral on him, cause it's all gut right now.

Izzy *** (though her name is sending me bad vibes, so I must have seen something I didn't like at some point, I'll take a look at her)

Lottie: I feel quite good here, I like her songs.

But beyond that I just think she has very good insight and valid points. (the Mira votes are still in the back of my mind though)

Nerwen ***

Nog: I think I trust him. May just be a natural instinct for me though, so when I read through I'll watch close, see if that changes at all.

Pitch: quite good with indeed.

Rune ***

Steve ***

So I'm gonna go read now....

oh, and my CAT is feeling better now, though he is still taking a lot of CAT naps and such. He is a very good CAT and my favourite out of all my three CATS....I'll stop now...

*snuggles everyone*

x'ed with Nog

Inziladun · 02-07-2010, 03:56 PM

Since the late votes for Izzy ought to be scrutinized, I'll have it out that the primary reason I decided to vote for her at the last was the fact that I was disposed to think a bit better of her over Gwath because she'd given me a vote. Not the best of reasons to return the favour, I know. But that was my thinking at the time.

Pitchwife · 02-07-2010, 04:22 PM

OK, folks, I've got to get up early tomorrow; will be around for another hour or so, but I should start getting my votes 'dumped', as the phantom put it, just in case there's any technical difficulties again. So, to start with:
++Eönwë
++Lottie
Both have demonstrated independent thinking and mostly make sense to me. And see what I said earlier about Lottie's wolf-spotting knack.

I'm inclined to trust Nog more again after his reappearance toDay, but he's probably going to get his share of votes anyway, so don't think he needs one from me.
Might vote for any out of wilwa, Fea, Nerwen, Zil.
Still leaning positive about Brinn, Izzy, Glirdan, but enough for a vote? Don't know.

Rune and Form, whether wolvish or not, haven't given me any reason for special confidence. Definitely not going to vote them.

EDIT: bolding again.

Brinniel · 02-07-2010, 04:40 PM

About the late Izzy voting, I voted for her because I didn't find anything suspicious about her and didn't think she deserved to be lynched. Okay, I didn't find Gwath particularly suspicious either, but his quiet and subtle playing style makes me a little more uneasy and I thought Izzy was more helpful during the Day. I know both Nerwen and I had expressed interest in voting her near the end of the Day; I don't know where the other votes came from. On one hand it does look odd, but then there was a lot of x-posting during those last moments and part of it could've been a frenzy to prevent a tie from occurring. I don't know what the chances are that this last minute voting frenzy could indicate a wolf trying to save their mate; I certainly wouldn't suspect Izzy or anyone who voted her based on that alone.

Pitchwife · 02-07-2010, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

What I don't like is our chance of getting an un-dreamed wolf in the early part of the game.

This sentence doesn't make sense to me, and it's fishy.

What's fishy about that? If you read it in the context of popularity contest, trusting vs suspecting, no active lynch votes from the wolves, etc., it makes perfect sense to me.
By the way, wilwa, I've just become convinced that you can't possibly be a wolf. My wife says you're a kangaroo.

Glirdan · 02-07-2010, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izzy

Glirdan and Loslote, why would Nienna talking/agreeing with Nog make him more innocent? She may be a proven innocent, but that doesn't mean that proven innocents only trust/agree with other innocents. She didn't have seer powers, so...

I just feel having a known innocent agreeing with him makes him seem a little more trustworthy. Anything she said could be taken for what it is as we know for a fact she wasn't trying to mislead us. However, that is not my main reasoning for having trust in Nog (which could very well be misplaced for all I know). It is the fact that he has been making sound arguments and has been logical and bringing up rather important points and thoughts.

Yet, as I stated in post #246, there is the possibility that he is a Wolf. I really am inclined to keeping him around due to his logic and reasoning, yet it is entirely possible that he is manipulating everything. Only way to find that out for sure would be to have him lynched or if he was Night killed.

Now on to Nog's list of last minute votes for Izzy at the end of the Day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nog

.59 Inzil -> Izzy ("Now it's just two way with her and Gwath", he said earlier: "I hate for Izzy to go, really")
.59 Eönwë -> Izzy ("Because Gwath seems more suspicious.")
.00 Brinn -> Izzy ("I don't see anything particularly suspicious with Izzy, but is it worth voting for her if it's just going to create a messy tie situation? Though it look like only a two-way tie now..") + -> Fea (deciding on the Simon-role)
.00 Nerwen -> Izzy ("Ties her up with Gwath, I know... sorry...")

It is highly unlikely that there is no Wolf in that group, and out of all four, Eonwe and Nerwen stand out the most for their lack of reasoning. Nerwen's vote was the last of the Day and the deciding vote on who was to be lynched. Yet Eonwe voted with a mere explanation of "he's more suspicious." Care to explain why you thought so?

EDIT: X'd with Lottie times 2

Eönwë · 02-07-2010, 06:07 PM

Well, I'm back...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Eonwe voted with a mere explanation of "he's more suspicious." Care to explain why you thought so?

If you look at my list earlier that Day, you'll see that Izzy was on my innocent list, Gwath on my suspicious. Izzy contributed to the discussion while Gwath didn't say much while still giving the impression that he was around.

Nogrod · 02-07-2010, 04:28 PM

There was considerable discussion on a possible threeway tie between Gwath who had one vote and Pitch & Izzy who had no votes at the end of the Day.

Then ten minutes before the end Nerwen opened it by voting Fea, Steve and Pitch.

Fea gave another vote to Pitch at .56.

So Izzy had no votes, Gwath had one vote, and Pitch had two (with Rune).

Then things started happening at the last minutes (and there probably were crossposting there).

.59 Inzil -> Izzy ("Now it's just two way with her and Gwath", he said earlier: "I hate for Izzy to go, really")
.59 Eönwë -> Izzy ("Because Gwath seems more suspicious.")
.00 Brinn -> Izzy ("I don't see anything particularly suspicious with Izzy, but is it worth voting for her if it's just going to create a messy tie situation? Though it look like only a two-way tie now..") + -> Fea (deciding on the Simon-role)
.00 Nerwen -> Izzy ("Ties her up with Gwath, I know... sorry...")

Hard to say if there is mayhem there or not. The votes look decent and more or less reasoned... but seasoned wolves are able to do it as well.

Needs to give it a thought.

EDIT: corrected a counting mistake before the last minute tallies

02-07-2010, 03:44 PM	#1
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	I am going to make a preliminary list before reading everything again. A * beside someone's name means that my brain has not processed any sort of opinion on them as of yet, and I will be back later with better formed opinions of them (hence my use of the word "preliminary") Brinn * Dun * Fea: trust, because I do. Form: certain things about him seem a little off (Night post thing and Mira vote for him), but I still just can't see him as posting during the Night like that as a wolf. No matter how many times I try to think of it as a possibility my mind is like "What, that's impossible, it's like trying to picture phantom as a nice guy." So I don't see him as a wolf. Glirdan: want so badly to trust him, but the fact that him and I are agreeing about everything is sooooo weird. I'm gonna have to stay neutral on him, cause it's all gut right now. Izzy * (though her name is sending me bad vibes, so I must have seen something I didn't like at some point, I'll take a look at her) Lottie: I feel quite good here, I like her songs. But beyond that I just think she has very good insight and valid points. (the Mira votes are still in the back of my mind though) Nerwen * Nog: I think I trust him. May just be a natural instinct for me though, so when I read through I'll watch close, see if that changes at all. Pitch: quite good with indeed. Rune * Steve * So I'm gonna go read now.... oh, and my CAT is feeling better now, though he is still taking a lot of CAT naps and such. He is a very good CAT and my favourite out of all my three CATS*....I'll stop now... snuggles everyone* x'ed with Nog __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

02-07-2010, 04:22 PM	#3
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	OK, folks, I've got to get up early tomorrow; will be around for another hour or so, but I should start getting my votes 'dumped', as the phantom put it, just in case there's any technical difficulties again. So, to start with: ++Eönwë ++Lottie Both have demonstrated independent thinking and mostly make sense to me. And see what I said earlier about Lottie's wolf-spotting knack. I'm inclined to trust Nog more again after his reappearance toDay, but he's probably going to get his share of votes anyway, so don't think he needs one from me. Might vote for any out of wilwa, Fea, Nerwen, Zil. Still leaning positive about Brinn, Izzy, Glirdan, but enough for a vote? Don't know. Rune and Form, whether wolvish or not, haven't given me any reason for special confidence. Definitely not going to vote them. EDIT: bolding again. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

02-07-2010, 04:40 PM	#4
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	About the late Izzy voting, I voted for her because I didn't find anything suspicious about her and didn't think she deserved to be lynched. Okay, I didn't find Gwath particularly suspicious either, but his quiet and subtle playing style makes me a little more uneasy and I thought Izzy was more helpful during the Day. I know both Nerwen and I had expressed interest in voting her near the end of the Day; I don't know where the other votes came from. On one hand it does look odd, but then there was a lot of x-posting during those last moments and part of it could've been a frenzy to prevent a tie from occurring. I don't know what the chances are that this last minute voting frenzy could indicate a wolf trying to save their mate; I certainly wouldn't suspect Izzy or anyone who voted her based on that alone. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

02-07-2010, 04:28 PM	#8
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	There was considerable discussion on a possible threeway tie between Gwath who had one vote and Pitch & Izzy who had no votes at the end of the Day. Then ten minutes before the end Nerwen opened it by voting Fea, Steve and Pitch. Fea gave another vote to Pitch at .56. So Izzy had no votes, Gwath had one vote, and Pitch had two (with Rune). Then things started happening at the last minutes (and there probably were crossposting there). .59 Inzil -> Izzy ("Now it's just two way with her and Gwath", he said earlier: "I hate for Izzy to go, really") .59 Eönwë -> Izzy ("Because Gwath seems more suspicious.") .00 Brinn -> Izzy ("I don't see anything particularly suspicious with Izzy, but is it worth voting for her if it's just going to create a messy tie situation? Though it look like only a two-way tie now..") + -> Fea (deciding on the Simon-role) .00 Nerwen -> Izzy ("Ties her up with Gwath, I know... sorry...") Hard to say if there is mayhem there or not. The votes look decent and more or less reasoned... but seasoned wolves are able to do it as well. Needs to give it a thought. EDIT: corrected a counting mistake before the last minute tallies __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... Last edited by Nogrod; 02-07-2010 at 06:07 PM.

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02-07-2010, 03:56 PM	#2
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Since the late votes for Izzy ought to be scrutinized, I'll have it out that the primary reason I decided to vote for her at the last was the fact that I was disposed to think a bit better of her over Gwath because she'd given me a vote. Not the best of reasons to return the favour, I know. But that was my thinking at the time. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.