WWLXXI: Something in the Night (Attempt #2)

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Abigail's battery's about dead.

What happened to Hunter?

So I have to go off to Church, I'm just popping on really quick. Once I get back I'll have the whole afternoon to read back through everything again and hopefully my list will be epic. Sally dear, you won't have it by mid day though, maybe closer to 65% into the day.

I also have a staff party to go to tonight so I'll be gone for a good chunk of time, and then come back again, probably just in time to vote.

[Nogrod]

Okay. Back to read. Starting from yesterDay from when I left.

Sorry. My days (RL) have been "wake up early, head to work, go non-stop 12-14 hours, come home 10-11PM..." So I haven't actually been able to spend too much with this game.

But I should have some time toDay... well, into reading first. But I'll be around if anyone wishes to discuss this or that.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Lari

N is for Nog who is way quiet than I've ever seen him. I know he says he has RL things and I'm not saying that's an excuse for his quietness, but even when he had RL things before, he would be up til 5 AM posting huge epic long posts and threatened with mod fire if he didn't sleep. So does this mean that RL is really this hard or is this how Nog-wolf plays?

I can post up to 5AM - even 7 AM - when I have a day off that day, like a weekend or vacation, and the game is interesting. Sadly I've had early morning calls every day this time (weekend included), but I've still posted into 1 or 2 AM... Sorry to disappoint you, but even I need some sleep if I have a 14-hour workday to look for.

Okay. I'll answer Sally's (mis)analysis first and then start looking for the wolves.

[Nogrod]

For D1 (bolding mine)

Originally Posted by Sally

It seems to me he’s giving the people in his first list a free pass simply because he knows they’re trying to make him happy. He knows they’re trying to butter up, and he buys it without batting an eyelash or an orange. Such logic can be deadly in Werewolf.

What? C'mon! If someone plays on D1, I like it. And you know it. I never vote for those who PLAY on D1 - unless there is a strong enough reason for it (then I will vote for an active player to be sure).

We all know that it is easier to suspect someone who says a lot (not just banters but really says something). That's the sad fate of our active players who try to contribute on D1 - so I will stand beside anyone who contributes and wish to do away with slackers on D1, unless there is a strong suspicion and yadayadayada.

So what is that "buttering up" thing there? I just don't get it. I said they are "doing something" eg. contributing, trying to get some discussion rolling, making points, not just hunkering down, not just trying to be as uncontroversial as possible... that's what I think everyone should do already on D1! I don't think any one of them was active "just to butter me up". That would be preposterous indeed.

Originally Posted by Sally

And of course now he retracts his earlier statement, or at least clarifies. He doesn’t trust all these people, he just doesn’t think they should die that Day. Completely different!

That is not a retraction, but you cancall it a clarification. The bolded part of what you said is exactly what I meant. What I said earlier was that they "are trying to do something which makes me appreciate them and I'm not going to vote anyone of them." That is not completely different but the same thing (clarified). I said I appreaciated their way of play (as it was D1) and would not vote for them. I never said I thought them innocents.

If I wouldn't believe that you're the seer Sally, I would be really suspicious of your twisting of my words.

Originally Posted by Sally

And then he votes on nothing. Nothing, and he even admits it. Also, I’ve never known Nog to be so apologetic when he votes someone.

There is a simple explanation: I have never been forced to vote with that little stuff to read / time to use for thinking about what to do. I was really feeling insecure there. Although with hindsight I think my guts were not that bad after all... but that's another story to be discussed later.

For D2

Originally Posted by Sally

And....erm, thanks for losing me my bargaining “guess who I dreamed on Night One” chip. I’m not sure an ordo would say this sort of thing while the seer’s still alive. I mean fine, analyze all you want when I’m dead but until then don’t try to tell me who I dreamt. I could have bluffed quite easily that I’d dreamt someone who was alive, thus making the wolves nervous, but now it’s useless.

I'm sorry to have blown your scheme, but here you must look at the mirror as well and bear at least part of the burden yourself. Now when you claimed you had dreamt of two wolves and said you would not come back as you were annoyed with us, you had also left a list where you put me and Inzil as the two you "could easily vote". So as I needed to go to sleep and could not affect the last hours - and not being sure you came back to say you were not serious - some could have voted for me, an innocent, because of your list & "revealment of two wolves".

Had you not made that list I wouldn't have said that, or had I been able to stay up for the rest of the Day...

Originally Posted by Sally

Now that we know Lottie to be innocent I find this a bit interesting. I’m sure it was just a still relatively new Lottie being inquisitive (bless her) but for Nog to bring this up makes me shifty toward him, as saying that makes her look bad.

We know Lottie was innocent... now. But we didn't know it back then. I didn't. But had I been lynched or Night-killed that could have been a piece of information that might have been valuable - and none else but I had it. For me her inquisitiveness especially on you Sally that Night and the fact that the wolves tried to kill you seemed suspicious enough to voice it.

Originally Posted by Sally

I also feel like he’s gone fishin’ with the last statement.

Sorry. I was trying to find out for myself - and to you all others - whether what I said about Lottie's PM's were significant or not. I mean, to me it was odd she was only interested of Sally (remember we didn't know you are the seer) and then Sally was about to be killed. So I was interested whether others talked about it as well eg. whether I was the only one who didn't think Sally's actions were something special or odd.

Originally Posted by Sally on my suspicion on Rikae

Again, he’s making a case against a now-known innocent. I don’t like his track record for doing that.

Me neither.

Originally Posted by Sally

Aaaaand again. He’s focusing solely on Alona, and I’d really like to know why.

You just complained I suspected Lottie and Rikae...

But to be honest, I had no time. I had to pick something that to me looked suspicious and try to see whether there was anything in there that would comfirm my suspicions or not. With alona there really was - and is. I really don't understand why you people don't see it. What she said to Rikae is unthinkable from an innocent mouth. None of us innocents knows anyone of the others to be on our side so we just can't "slip" that kind of thought as it is not a possible thought - at least early on D2 regarding someone who had posted like four posts or something.

If you don't actually know someone to be on your side you just can't "accidentally" say "it's great we're on the same side this time"!!! But if you're a wolf who needs to deceive you could in theory make a major slip like that. It is quite odd a wolf would be that thoughtless, but it would be even more implausible for an innocent to say that!

[Lariren Shadow]

Yes Nog, and now that I see that I still have no idea about anyone.

Ok I have to vote now because I'm making no promises about even being here for deadline. There's some rain in the forecast and I'm not taking chances. We had three people, I believe, who didn't vote yesterDay.

So I'm not voting Sally. Mostly because I'm inclined to believe her. I'm not voting Nog because if he is innocent he could sniff out a wolf. And we have to get a wolf toDay, unless the Ranger was daring last Night. Because we will be equal toMorrow.

So that leaves Alona, Inzil, Izzy, Shasta, and Wilwa as possible votes. Not voting Alona because I still think she's playing way to loud to be a wolf. Her wolf style is quiet and on the sidelines. Wilwa was on Sally's no vote list yesterDay and I have nothing really on her so I'm not really ok with voting for her.

And that leaves Inzil, Izzy, and Shasta. I have no idea. Do I believe what I've been told? Well, I'm left with three. And there are three wolves. Which means odds are that one of them is a wolf. I know Shasta is busy but he could also just be flying under the radar. It could happen. And out of all of them, I think I'm going to go with Shasta.

++Shasta

And this time I do want to vote him.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Yes Nog, and now that I see that I still have no idea about anyone.

Ok I have to vote now because I'm making no promises about even being here for deadline. There's some rain in the forecast and I'm not taking chances. We had three people, I believe, who didn't vote yesterDay.

So I'm not voting Sally. Mostly because I'm inclined to believe her. I'm not voting Nog because if he is innocent he could sniff out a wolf. And we have to get a wolf toDay, unless the Ranger was daring last Night. Because we will be equal toMorrow.

So that leaves Alona, Inzil, Izzy, Shasta, and Wilwa as possible votes. Not voting Alona because I still think she's playing way to loud to be a wolf. Her wolf style is quiet and on the sidelines. Wilwa was on Sally's no vote list yesterDay and I have nothing really on her so I'm not really ok with voting for her.

And that leaves Inzil, Izzy, and Shasta. I have no idea. Do I believe what I've been told? Well, I'm left with three. And there are three wolves. Which means odds are that one of them is a wolf. I know Shasta is busy but he could also just be flying under the radar. It could happen. And out of all of them, I think I'm going to go with Shasta.

++Shasta

And this time I do want to vote him.

Sounds reasonable to me. Depending on what Sally has to say later, I could well follow suit. And you're right, of course. If an innocent is lynched toDay, it's very likely going to be a wolf win. As it is now, the ratio of innocents to wolves stands at 5:3. If an innocent goes toDay, it'll be 4:3 toNight, and all they'll need is one more kill.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

What happened to Hunter?

So I have to go off to Church, I'm just popping on really quick. Once I get back I'll have the whole afternoon to read back through everything again and hopefully my list will be epic. Sally dear, you won't have it by mid day though, maybe closer to 65% into the day.

I also have a staff party to go to tonight so I'll be gone for a good chunk of time, and then come back again, probably just in time to vote.

Hunter died back in November.

And I look forward to seeing your epic list! And don't worry if it's not here by mid-Day (which it obviously isn't lol) because I slept late so I think I'll be at least somewhat conscious for the rest of the Day. Yay lists!


And Nog, you do have to agree that you've gone after Alona a lot, though I'll say in apology that I should have stated you went mostly after her. You have though; for the most part, you've accused someone then just gone back to Alona. But if I was 100% convinced you were a wolf I'd have voted you already, so for now let's just consider you on the 'possibly dangerous' list. Which is always where you belong anyway.



For everyone else. Remember what I said about going all half-cocked? I mean it's fine for now, but I don't want things to go downhill later and end up swinging the ranger's direction. Which reminds me. A list of my own. (Keep in mind this is how I would feel regardless of my dreams, so please don't accept it as pure canon.)


Possibly guilty:
Nog (too quiet, and when he is he doesn't seem to be ordo!Nog)
Izzy (too quiet and too like Nog, which worries me. Also, she's too far off everyone's radar and I never like that.)

Not sure, but could go either way:
Lari (while Alona thinks she's probably innocent, I'm not entirely convinced. She looks a bit too calculated for my taste.)
Dun (just because of a few things he's said, which I hope to point out when/if I get to my analysis of him)
Wilwa (again, has said some things I'm not too comfortable with, although her concern for my lost computer is touching)
Shasta (because a wolf!Shasta would be more active even if he did have a show. Of course he could be laying low specifically for that reason, so dunno.)

Probably innocent:
Alona (because she's been helpful to the point of beyond helpful and I'm not getting any sort of wolf vibe from her, which would normally be worrying but I can read her fairly well so I place her here)

In her own little guilt-free world:
Sally. Because I'm ever so cute and cuddly. ^_^


ETA: x'd since Lari's vote. And Wilwa can come here and collect her hug.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But to be honest, I had no time. I had to pick something that to me looked suspicious and try to see whether there was anything in there that would comfirm my suspicions or not. With alona there really was - and is. I really don't understand why you people don't see it. What she said to Rikae is unthinkable from an innocent mouth. None of us innocents knows anyone of the others to be on our side so we just can't "slip" that kind of thought as it is not a possible thought - at least early on D2 regarding someone who had posted like four posts or something.

If you don't actually know someone to be on your side you just can't "accidentally" say "it's great we're on the same side this time"!!! But if you're a wolf who needs to deceive you could in theory make a major slip like that. It is quite odd a wolf would be that thoughtless, but it would be even more implausible for an innocent to say that!

Seriously, Nog, if our Seer is able to hone in on so much suspicious activity from you and you explain it away with a need for sleep (an explanation I used for my flipflop during the debate with Lottie) mis-reading Lottie (something I admitted to), and simply "gut" feeling when voting for me (my main explanation for my comment about Rikae), why am I so much more suspicious than you are? Your single-mindedness is getting to me, because yeah, the wolves won't win immediately if we lynch an ordo today, but it certainly doesn't put the village in a good position.

And let's be honest, I'm not a good enough player to escape the Seer's notice, convince both her and other players I'm innocent and rack up so much suspicion against you in the process. Unless this whole thing is ordo-on-ordo and I really am that clumsy. This is only my third online WW game, I'm still learning. And I still make slips like the one I made when referring to Rikae, though I didn't think of it as a slip at the time. Obviously. I'll say this, too, if I were a wolf this game, Lari would have been the first Night kill, end of story.


Side note: I'm probably taking this more personal than normal, but that's mainly due to RL. I'm not exactly in my best frame of mind at the moment. Probably shouldn't even be playing, but it's a great escape and I need one of those right now.

[Nogrod]

Here's the votes from D1 & D2. Known innocents are bolded.
(EDIT: the X in front of Izzy & Lari are the "wrong deadline votes)

D1

Nog -> alona
wilwa -> Sally
Lottie -> Inzil
Rikae -> Glirdy
Inzil -> Lottie
X Izzy -> Shasta
X Lari -> Shasta2
Morsul -> Glirdy2
(Lari -- Shasta? = not valid)
Glirdy -> Morsul
alona -> Morsul2
Shasta -> Morsul3

hunter reveal
Glirdan target

Sally -> Shasta3

flip coin: Morsul dies -> Glirdy dies

D2

Nog -> alona
Lari -> Lottie
- .10 wilwa -> Shasta
- .04 Inzil -> Lottie2
- .02 Lottie -> alona2
- .02 Rikae -> Nog
- .01 Izzy -> wilwa

Did not vote: alona, Sally, Shasta

Seemingly a flip of coin once again? -> Lottie dies


Interestingly the three who didn't vote on D2 were the first to post toDay...

[Nogrod]

Let's also see the pairs... (known innocents bolded)

Sally/Glirdan
Shasta/Alona
Morsul/Wilwa
Rikae/Izzy
Nog/Lottie
Dun/Lari

Looking at it now and not believeing there is a wolf-wolf PM-pair (well, there might be, but I'd think it less probable than every wolf being given as a PM-pal to an innocent) the situation would mean there were three pairs of innocents to begin with and three which had a wolf in them. Now we can say that Sally / Glirdy was one of the pairings of innocents - and I know me and Lottie was another. To you the pair, me / Lottie is an unknown of course – but I know now that both of the other two pairs with a dead innocent in them can not be innocent!

To put it plainly: either wilwa or Izzy is a wolf – or they both are. Unless there is a wolf-wolf PM-pair of course.

My problem is that the more I look at it, the less innocent-looking people I see round…

Although I have to say alona’s latest defence felt genuine. I’m torn with her right now: my reason says she must be a wolf but my feelings are confused and willing to believe her. Now what is the part played here by several people saying she’s like that / believing she could actually make such an odd comment, and what is their alignment in the game?

I’ll try to add things up a bit… in a moment. (needs to see first what has happened meanwhile as I see post being made)

[Nogrod]

Looking at the votes again...

Johnny 99 - Nogrod
alona (unknown) x 2 first vote of the Day

City Dude - Inziladun
Lottie (innocent) early vote
Lottie (innocent) putting her into lead over Shasta (unknown) & alona (unknown)

Gypsy Biker - Shasta
(hunter) putting him in front of Glirdy (innocent)
no vote on D2

Bad Scooter - Isabellkya
Shasta (unknown) hasty erred dl-vote
Wilwa (unknown) last minute throw-away vote

Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Morsul (hunter) ties him with Glirdan (innocent)
no vote on D2

Boardwalk Sandy - Sally
Shasta (unknown) forced to tie him with Glirdy (a known innocent to her)
no vote on D2

Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Sally (seer) an early vote
Shasta (unknown) first vote for him before the last minute rush (only two votes had been given before)

Wendy - Lariren
Shasta (unknown) putting him into lead at the last minute - wrong dl. (tried to retract)
Lottie (innocent) early first vote


Some thoughts to follow - and hopefully in the end trying to add up all the statistics I've tried to gather.

[alonariel]

Borrowing from Nog here to try and work things out.

Sally/Glirdan - gifted/innocent
Shasta/Alona - unknown/innocent (yeah, I know, no hard proof yet)
Morsul/Wilwa - hunter/unknown
Rikae/Izzy - innocent/unknown
Nog/Lottie - unknown/innocent
Dun/Lari - unknown/unknownprobablyinnocent

Assuming there's no wolf-wolf pairs here. If there is already a known gifted/innocent pair, it's probable that the Hunter and/or Ranger were paired up with innocents, too. That would leave 6 others - three wolves and three innocents. So no wolf-wolf pairs with this line of thinking. This also means Wilwa is most likely innocent and that whoever is paired with the Ranger might be innocent, too.

Now for the wolf-innocent pairs. That leaves Shasta, Izzy, Nog and Dun (or Lari) as a wolf. Ugh that's five people. Well, to narrow it down, if we go along with Sally referring to the Ranger as a she, that rules out Izzy, as she and Rikae could be the third gifted/innocent pair. It also rules out Lari and Dun, as they could also be the third gifted/innocent pair. So that leaves Shasta and Nog. While I'm tempted to lean more against Shasta than Nog now that he's tried to broaden his suspicions, he is going after Wilwa who I mostly trust to be innocent and now Lari who I'm 99.9% sure is innocent.

If the Ranger is a he and Sally was just using wordplay, then that rules out Shasta/me, Nog/Lottie and Dun/Lari, leaving Izzy as a wolf paired with known innocent Rikae.

So, conclusion: I might vote either Shasta or Nog. I probably won't vote Wilwa, Lari and certainly not Sally.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Alona, you thought you were a logical kill choice, you said you didn't get why the wolves didn't kill you.

That was more meta coming into my reasoning - referring to the Bostonmoot games and how Shasta was like, "Honey, if I'm a wolf, you're dead Night 1. Sorry!"

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Now, when I play with Glirdan on the other hand, it's quite nice getting a little RL break from him! Especially cause we're always trying to kill each other in the games and I think we both kinda bug each other because our playing styles are soooo different and we surprisingly suck at reading each other, real test of our friendship! (would love it if he saw this )

x'ed with Sally, luvs her Sally ^_^

Haha! ...I mean I'm not sending this to him via Facebook message, what are you talking about?

[wilwarin538]

So I re-read from the beginning and quoted a bunch of stuff and here they are with my random thoughts, and then a list:

Originally Posted by alonariel

I'm not having the best of times right now, so I'm just going to vote and go to bed. For reasons stated earlier:

++Morsul

I dislike this vote. Her reasons were that she didn't like Morsul's "out of nowhere" vote for Glirdan, but when he voted he was under the impression that DL was fast approaching, and it was kinda a rush in the moment thing. Lari's vote was the same, but Alona found nothing wrong with it.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Being innocent and single gets you no action. (Heh. I see what I did there.)

I just think this is funny cause Sally and I ended up stranded in the same boat at the same time.

Originally Posted by alonariel

Plain ordo like last game, I'm afraid. I'm actually surprised the wolves didn't go after me Night 1 - which might exclude Rikae, Wilwa, Lari and Shasta since they were present at the Bostonmoot games

This whole post bugs me too. I don't really get why she thought she was a logical wolf choice.

Originally Posted by alonariel

Rikae: Admittedly scares me (in a good way, I think), so I'm glad to have her on my side in this game.

I'm aware this has been mentioned a lot already. Now if Rikae had ended up guilty I would be quite convinced that Alona is too. Rikae being innocent just makes me confused about this. I don't really know...

Originally Posted by alonariel

Okay, but here's what worries me: your surety that Sally's a "known" innocent - when in fact, only Morsul and Glirdan are the "known" innocents.

Why are you so certain of Sally's innocence, Lottie?

Wow I quoted Alona alot....this is weird cause it was pretty obvious Sally was innocent. And it was explained to her a couple times but she still seemed to want to shed doubt on it.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I disagree that it would be "in the wolves interest to (at least in the absence of a better kill) get rid of any unwanted attention." in regards to killing their lovers. It seems like a mighty large trail that they would be leaving behind. I can't imagine them being such generous (and obvious,) Hansel and Gretels.

Well I agree with this statement, but it's just the Hansel and Gretel thing, made me nostalgic.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Also, she can steer us away from the Ranger, but she apparently can't lead us to a wolf at the moment. I don't want to lynch the Ranger, but I don't want an ordo either.

This still bothers me. I'd happily die if it meant the Ranger could survive, especially since our Seer needs him so much. Yes wolves are our priority, but Sally can give us an advantage over the wolves, therefore keeping the Ranger alive keeps her alive and stays on track with our objective. I don't really get why he objected to this.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

A flaw I see on that plan Wilwa is that it won't give us much information to go on toMorrow. If the person picked by Sally is not a wolf, then I imagine the wolves will have no problem in going along with it. I imagine they probably won't have much problem with it, even if it is a wolf - so they could try and blend in with the crowd.

Lynching a wolf is priority. If we can't get one, an ordo is better than a gifted.

She kinda goes against the idea like Inzil, but then her last sentence makes up for it, so that's fine actually, when I quoted this I hadn't noticed that last part.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also, I kind of want to know how everyone feels about their lovers.

Mine was awesome, may he rest in peace.

Sally: I don't think the Ranger needs to hint to you whether they protected you or not, too risky for him, cause he needs to stay alive as long as possible so he can protect you as long as possible. Oh, and if you didn't dream a wolf last Night then I'm gonna vote for whoever you vote for anyway, cause with our numbers dwindling I don't want to risk a last minute bandwaggon that kills our Ranger, cause then you're definitely dead toNight.

List? Ok then...

Nogrod: not too too much from him, but what I have seen I've agreed with or at least understood his logica and I don't see anything wrong with him

Alona: I want to trust her, and there's something nagging at the back of my head that is making me want to trust her, but there's also a lot of stuff that she's said that just urks me the wrong way (see above). So I'm on the fence here, it's like my half of me sees the logic that she could be guilty, then another half is like "no no, she's good, trust your gut"...so yeah, I don't know

Lari: uhm, kinda under my radar, but nothing stood out so I'm good here for now

Izzy: so yesterday she said something like she didn't get my whole Shasta deal, so I asked what she meant by that, and all she did was quote what I had said, she didn't really say what she found wrong with it, and then voted for me cause I didn't explain my reasoning (when I couldn't explain, since she never really told me what needed explaining)....so I don't like that, the vote itself I get, cause Shasta was a kinda rushed flimsy thing from me, but just that one part bugs me...I don't however have anything else against her at the moment, so this is not enough to go on, off this alone I would not vote for her

Inzil: ahh, my dear ex-lover, I'm really starting to suspect him. His comment that I quoted earlier was odd, and he at one point said I was "fixated" on the revealing lovers thing, when I actually had just made an off handed joking (only Lottie seems to pick up on the joking part) suggestion, and then others took it serious and actually followed through, so I wouldn't say I was fixated. Anyway....yeah, a few things here in there, I'll try to take a closer look later.

Shasta: Yes, I voted him yesterDay, yes the reasons were flimsy, and no I don't really have anything new to add about him right now.

Hmm. Need a break, the whole read through took me like an hour. Be back later.

x'ed with a few people

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Interestingly the three who didn't vote on D2 were the first to post toDay...

Mainly 'cause I felt bad for not showing up for DL or the latter half of yesterDay.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I dislike this vote. Her reasons were that she didn't like Morsul's "out of nowhere" vote for Glirdan, but when he voted he was under the impression that DL was fast approaching, and it was kinda a rush in the moment thing. Lari's vote was the same, but Alona found nothing wrong with it.

Morsul's vote came with him being gone for a majority of Day 1, whereas, when I talked with Lari throughout Day 1, even though she had work, she gave me the impression she'd sifted through the posts and based her vote on that. It was actually Izzy's comment about the DL that sparked her spontaneous vote. And at the time, Glirdan seemed more innocent than Shasta - even though it was Day 1.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

This whole post bugs me too. I don't really get why she thought she was a logical wolf choice.

Confused here. That who thought who was a logical wolf choice? All I did was use meta game to rule out a few possible wolves, and even that was a bit of a joke.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I'm aware this has been mentioned a lot already. Now if Rikae had ended up guilty I would be quite convinced that Alona is too. Rikae being innocent just makes me confused about this. I don't really know...

Like I said, great frame, which makes me think experienced wolves might be playing here.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Wow I quoted Alona alot....this is weird cause it was pretty obvious Sally was innocent. And it was explained to her a couple times but she still seemed to want to shed doubt on it.

I think Izzy asked about this, too. Basically I saw Inzil's post saying that Sally was the Night target, went with it at the beginning of the Day and then later started to question it while I was talking with Lari about it. My debate with Lottie went well into the early morning for me and I don't think I was thinking quite clearly at the time.

[satansaloser2005]

Bloody interwebs.


Anyway I'm gonna take a look at Lari now. Back soon-ish.

[Isabellkya]

Was reading while my lunch cooked. Few comments.

Wilwa, I'd asked about the Shasta/Sally thing earlier on Day two, and had gotten no response about it. A specific quote # will have to wait until I come back.

While I was reading Sally's rundown of Nog, sorry - but I couldn't help but laugh a little. It just seems so fabricated, and.. over the top flimsy to me. Hindsight tends to be 20/20... but condemning someone with it, is just... o.O



Okay, back in a bit after lunch.

X'd with Sally.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Basically I saw Inzil's post saying that Sally was the Night target, went with it at the beginning of the Day and then later started to question it while I was talking with Lari about it.

That is interesting indeed!

So you kept talking with Lari a lot and she got you to suspect Sally's reveal?

But wait... you're not PM-pals! I'm not sure what to say. I mean this game should be played online in front of everyone, not privately somewhere outside the range of other ears.

Anyway it is interesting as well that wilwa wants to push after you for that if Lari had helped you to distrust Sally's reveal in a situation where it was more or less obvious...