WWLXXI: Something in the Night (Attempt #2) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 01-15-2010, 04:00 PM

Finally back home and read the thread. The last posts by Sally... hmm. Back in a minute.

Nogrod · 01-15-2010, 04:19 PM

As looks quite obvious Sally was the target last Night and was saved by the ranger (decent work ranger as we lost two on D1 - so kind of evens our double loss).

Also it looks to me quite obvious Sally dreamt of Glirdy on N1 - as agreed, the seer would like to know her pal first if he is to be trusted to play together - and thus her panic in the end of the Day.

Furthermore I see no reason to doubt Sally's reveal. And I'll bet she will eventually come back with the one known person to her she must have. But nice drama there at exit to be sure!

Now what makes me wonder is that Lottie was actually quite inquisitive about Sally's panic in the end of yesterDay. And even if her speculations ended up more or less thinking Sally innocent she wished to hear my views on possible explanations of her gifted hints. I've been more than busy - and still am, sorry about that guys - and only answered shortly that I thought that gifted-hinting was not a reasonable POV there... and then the wolves try to kill Sally the same Night.

How much did you others discuss Sally last Night? Was it something everyone talked about or...?

Nogrod · 01-15-2010, 04:52 PM

Another thing that makes me feel a bit suspicious started from this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by alona

Rikae: Admittedly scares me (in a good way, I think), so I'm glad to have her on my side in this game.

Now some others have commented on this already but I'm also a bit worried about Rikae's answer to that comment:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikae

The one thing that jumped out at me was alona's weird statement that we're on the same side. I doubt she'd be so obvious if she actually knew, so I'm inclined to think she knows the opposite - knows I'm not on her side, and hopes such hinting will win my trust.

But alona first. No ordo but a seer could say that - and a seer most likely wouldn't anyway unless she was to reveal (and this was before Sally came forwards anyway). Especially as she didn't say "I believe" or "I have a strong feeling", or "I have good vibes" but just plain and simple: "glad to have you on my side in this game". I know people think differently, but it's hard to see an ordo thinking like that in any circumstances, especially early on D2 basing her "knowledge" on Rikae's few posts she had made on D1!

But what about Rikae then? Now it looks like a really weird comment to suggest that alona would try to win her trust with that comment. And I guess Rikae realised it as she made a corrective move a bit later explaining alona's possible motivation a bit more. I just feel there is something fishy in there.

It could be within limits of believability that alona and Rikae actually are in cahoots here: alona made a major slip and Rikae tried to distance herself from her because of that.

Be that conspiracy theory as it may be, but I'm most probably going to vote alona again toDay. Not only because of that one thing with Rikae, but also looking at her so busy explaining herself time and time again and making comments I think were more fishy than not. I'll come back with some examples to show what I mean.

wilwarin538 · 01-15-2010, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It could be within limits of believability that alona and Rikae actually are in cahoots here: alona made a major slip and Rikae tried to distance herself from her because of that.

Because this is a possibility I would be willing to go along with an Alona lynch, but I'd rather wait and see what Sally has to say about who she claims to have dreamt of. A possibly known wolf would be much more fun to vote for.

I really have nothing to do right now, and really wish there was more going on here cause my brain is in WW mode and I can't get out

. (I've been spending the last 3 hours doing research for the next game I want to mod instead, since not much is happening on here.)

satansaloser2005 · 01-15-2010, 05:14 PM

Wording is everything. I said I wouldn't tell you I'd found two wolves because I haven't. Sorry. I wish I had.

wilwarin538 · 01-15-2010, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Wording is everything. I said I wouldn't tell you I'd found two wolves because I haven't. Sorry. I wish I had.

Oh. Ok then.

So you dreamt of Glirdan then?

Who did you dream of last Night?

satansaloser2005 · 01-15-2010, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Who did you dream of last Night?

The Ranger.

Alona, what are you thinking vote-wise?

Inziladun · 01-15-2010, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Wording is everything. I said I wouldn't tell you I'd found two wolves because I haven't. Sorry. I wish I had.

You ought to be lynched just for that.

wilwarin538 · 01-15-2010, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inziladun

You ought to be lynched just for that.

She's Sally. 'nuff said.

Inziladun · 01-15-2010, 05:24 PM

But anyway, can you at least give us another innocent, Sally? Assuming you really are the Seer?

Nogrod · 01-15-2010, 05:24 PM

On alona on D2

In the beginning there is basically just some odd air around her posting - something giving me a bit similar kind of feelings she gave me yesterDay, but maybe more. Like answering the question of her role with: "Plain ordo like last game, I'm afraid."

or "wondering" why the wolves didn't kill her during the Night (why would they?).

But then her own explanation to Sally's question why she was so sure Rikae was on her side is interesting to say the least:

Quote:

Originally Posted by alona

I just meant we're on the side of innocents. All I know is whenever I'm evil, Rikae knows it like the back of her hand. And if she is evil...eek, well then I'm totally screwed. But I'm not really getting that vibe, hence my goodwill statement that we're on the same side.

"I just meant we're on the side of innocents"!!! Now what? If you're an innocent alona that sentence is not adding anything to what you said earlier - and doesn't explain it in any way.

But why do you feel the need to say that what you really meant, was that you both are innocents?

And it is an intresting way to phrase a "goodwill statement" by saying you "know" the other is on the same side as you...

It's hard to believe in your sincerity here alona as the other explanation would fit so nicely.

Then she tried to turn the attention to Lottie on the issue of whether Morsul and Sally were "cleared". And when it backfired she turned into suspecting Sally's innocence with some dedication.

And this sounds like a disappointed wolf brooding over unfair rules:

Quote:

Originally Posted by alona

But are we even allowed to know who the wolves tried to Night kill? That would be like knowing who the Seer dreamed of or who the Hunter was hunting.

The last posts she has been mainly defending herself...

At this point of the game she's truly my best bet for a wolf. Especially because of that above quote where she answered the question on why she was so sure about Rikae being on the same side.

And if she is lynched and turns out a wolf, I think we should really look at Rikae closely toMorrow.

01-15-2010, 04:00 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Finally back home and read the thread. The last posts by Sally... hmm. Back in a minute. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

01-15-2010, 05:14 PM	#5
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Wording is everything. I said I wouldn't tell you I'd found two wolves because I haven't. Sorry. I wish I had. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

01-15-2010, 05:24 PM	#10
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,040	But anyway, can you at least give us another innocent, Sally? Assuming you really are the Seer? __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God. Last edited by Inziladun; 01-15-2010 at 05:34 PM. Reason: x/d with Nog

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01-15-2010, 04:19 PM	#2
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	As looks quite obvious Sally was the target last Night and was saved by the ranger (decent work ranger as we lost two on D1 - so kind of evens our double loss). Also it looks to me quite obvious Sally dreamt of Glirdy on N1 - as agreed, the seer would like to know her pal first if he is to be trusted to play together - and thus her panic in the end of the Day. Furthermore I see no reason to doubt Sally's reveal. And I'll bet she will eventually come back with the one known person to her she must have. But nice drama there at exit to be sure! Now what makes me wonder is that Lottie was actually quite inquisitive about Sally's panic in the end of yesterDay. And even if her speculations ended up more or less thinking Sally innocent she wished to hear my views on possible explanations of her gifted hints. I've been more than busy - and still am, sorry about that guys - and only answered shortly that I thought that gifted-hinting was not a reasonable POV there... and then the wolves try to kill Sally the same Night. How much did you others discuss Sally last Night? Was it something everyone talked about or...? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...