WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

satansaloser2005 · 12-10-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I reread the post and said to myself "That doesn't mak sense I mean Sally" That's why I reposted it more clearly

Works for me. I've been a bit tired anyway so it makes sense that I misread it.

Now onto wolf-catching, eh?

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 02:31 PM

Interesting that Morsul is starting to backtrack on Sally... after voting her.

"Let's lynch Sally, but if she's innocent, know that I actually didn't suspect her!"

I also find it extremely fascinating that Boro is willing to pull a complete 180, not only on Bes, but on Lottie as well, from saying she's a "known innocent" to "let's lynch her today", based solely on a (unproven) theory by Nog that may or may not be true.

Honestly, I think I'd rather lynch Boro today than Lommy, but that's probably not going to happen.

Edit: X'ed with Lommy.

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 02:34 PM

And just as I'm ready to vote for Lommy, she brings up a point I'd forgotten about - Bes's vote yesterday. It flew in out of nowhere and I couldn't see why - but a Bes-Brinn-Lottie theory makes a certain kind of morbid sense... gah. It's 27 minutes to DL, much too late in the day to be throwing around things like this to make my head hurt.

satansaloser2005 · 12-10-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And just as I'm ready to vote for Lommy, she brings up a point I'd forgotten about - Bes's vote yesterday. It flew in out of nowhere and I couldn't see why - but a Bes-Brinn-Lottie theory makes a certain kind of morbid sense... gah. It's 27 minutes to DL, much too late in the day to be throwing around things like this to make my head hurt.

Poor precious. I'll save you some aspirin, shall I?

satansaloser2005 · 12-10-2009, 02:37 PM

It's too blankity-blank quiet around here. Let's kill some blankity-blank werewolves!

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 02:38 PM

Nog and Lommy?

Bes, Brinn, and Lottie?

Lommy and Boro?

Sally and Morsul?

Ugh.

Edit: X'ed with Sally, Nogrod, and Lommy.

satansaloser2005 · 12-10-2009, 02:39 PM

I was thinking last Night....what if we have a father-daughter wolf team?

I'd go for Bes, Lommie, and Brinn. Really no particular order on the first two now so if people did want to let Lommie go I'd give my reluctant approval.

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 02:42 PM

Suspected at the beginning of the day - Lommy, Nogrod, Boro
Suspect now - Bes, Lottie
Don't really suspect - Brinn
Under radar - Sally, Morsul, Nerwen

That's a VERY rough list of how I'm feeling right now. I don't think I've ever been so indecisive.

Edit: X'ed with Boro, Sally, Sally.

Nogrod · 12-10-2009, 02:43 PM

Let me add Shasta (because of some interactions with Lottie & Bes) and Boro (coolly opportunistic = if my theory of Lottie is wrong lynch him!

)...

But really Lottie would do... or Bes.

Nogrod · 12-10-2009, 02:46 PM

Okay. Let's try Lottie?

It's the most information we can gather...

What's the tally?

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 02:46 PM

Now that I think about it, Nog's theory makes a bit more sense than just a one-shot dreamer, for a super-secret role, I mean.

Edit: X'ed with Lommy and Nogrod.

Thinlómien · 12-10-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Let me add Shasta (because of some interactions with Lottie & Bes) and Boro (coolly opportunistic = if my theory of Lottie is wrong lynch him!

)...

Haha, I was just thinking "if we lynch Lottie and she's innocent, we had better do something about Nog and Boro the Day after!" So, great minds think alike?

Although it's really always a bit questionable to draw very straightforward conclusions like that...

edit: xed with all

Thinlómien · 12-10-2009, 02:38 PM

So, who are you considering for vote, everybody?

I would prefer Lottie or Brinn, but I'm okay with Bes or Sally too.

Basically I'm ok with everything that's not me, but I wouldn't feel too happy about lynching Shasta or Boro, as they seem quite innocent to me.

edit: xed with two sallies and one nogroar

Boromir88 · 12-10-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I also find it extremely fascinating that Boro is willing to pull a complete 180, not only on Bes, but on Lottie as well, from saying she's a "known innocent" to "let's lynch her today", based solely on a (unproven) theory by Nog that may or may not be true.

Let me say this again to get it through your thick-head.

It's a risk worth taking today because of the odds. And today is not yesterday. Yesterday I was trying to challenge Lottie to make the wolves regret not killing her (because I was under the impression they didn't see her as a threat even as a known innocent). Now, there's been new info about the secret-role today which has changed my mind. Yet again, let me point out that at least my 180 fits because I was presented with a new viewpoint that contradicted my previous thoughts about Lottie. Bes, was presented with something that supported his distrust of Lottie a few days ago, but somehow switched.

Bottomline is with Lottie we either get a wolf, and have discovered their plans. Or an innocent and lose a day, which may sound heartless, but we still maintain the 2-gifteds and know about Lottie for sure. (Plus the more information we can gain by finding out). This is a risk where the odds of being correct is a huge pay off, and being wrong isn't all that bad.

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

Now, there's been new info about the secret-role today which has changed my mind.

WRONG. You can't declare Nogrod's theory concrete information and base decisions off it.

Edit: X'ed with Nogrod.

Nogrod · 12-10-2009, 02:51 PM

Sorry... I tried to "preview" to see whether there were new posts and hit the submit button...

Well I meant to do that anyway...

Bes · 12-10-2009, 02:58 PM

Good lord, so many words and meanings put into my mouth for me toDay. Anyway, not much time before the DL. Either Nog or Lottie is trouble, in my oppinion. Lottie is the one of the two that has evidence against her worth talking about from my point of view, since I've never had much more on Nog than a feeling of wrongness. So Lottie it is.

++Lottie.

Edit: Probably crossed with a few.

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bes

Good lord, so many words and meanings put into my mouth for me toDay. Anyway, not much time before the DL. Either Nog or Lottie is trouble, in my oppinion. Lottie is the one of the two that has evidence against her worth talking about from my point of view, since I've never had much more on Nog than a feeling of wrongness. So Lottie it is.

++Lottie.

Edit: Probably crossed with a few.

Aaaaand Bes with yet another out-of-the-blue vote...

Thinlómien · 12-10-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

WRONG. You can't declare Nogrod's theory concrete information and base decisions off it.

The theory is not, but the previous rules about the role sort of are...

Thinlómien · 12-10-2009, 02:53 PM

++Lottie

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

The theory is not, but the previous rules about the role sort of are...

So you can read Legate's mind, then?

Edit: X'ed with Lommy and Sally. Bes for me is a byproduct of all this Lottie suspicion, so...

satansaloser2005 · 12-10-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

The theory is not, but the previous rules about the role sort of are...

Yes, but this isn't the same game.

I don't like it when people think they can read the mod's brain. Makes me think they know something they wouldn't if they were innocent.

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 02:56 PM

I can't in good conscience go along with this at the moment.

++Lommy

Edit: X'ed with Nogrod.

Thinlómien · 12-10-2009, 02:57 PM

Sally and Shasta if you lynch me and Lottie wolf and her pack kill you I will say you deserved it...

I don't claim I can read the mod's mind. I'm just thinking of stuff that would make sense (which is not making a totally new random role we can't get any information on from anywhere).

satansaloser2005 · 12-10-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Alright, this last-half-hour bandwagon swing towards Lottie stinks of something.

Edit: X'ed with Sally.

Seconded. If she's a wolf, great, but if not I'll be really REALLY unhappy.

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Haha, I was just thinking "if we lynch Lottie and she's innocent, we had better do something about Nog and Boro the Day after!" So, great minds think alike?

Although it's really always a bit questionable to draw very straightforward conclusions like that...

edit: xed with all

Something like that. I'll still be after you though, precious.

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

WRONG. You can't declare Nogrod's theory concrete information and base decisions off it.

Edit: X'ed with Nogrod.

Seconded again.

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 02:53 PM

In fact I think that's what bothers me the most about this bandwagon - has anyone considered the opposite side of this coin? Like, for instance, we lose a Gifted (because that's what Lottie is, no matter if she's used her gift up or not), and the wolves succeed in making us waste a lynch on her. Haven't we been discussing that the wolves don't dare kill Lottie? If Nog is wrong about Lottie, this whole manuever fits right into their plans.

Edit: X'ed with Lommy, Nog, Boro, Sally, Nog.

satansaloser2005 · 12-10-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

In fact I think that's what bothers me the most about this bandwagon - has anyone considered the opposite side of this coin? Like, for instance, we lose a Gifted (because that's what Lottie is, no matter if she's used her gift up or not), and the wolves succeed in making us waste a lynch on her. Haven't we been discussing that the wolves don't dare kill Lottie? If Nog is wrong about Lottie, this whole manuever fits right into their plans.

Shasta, what do you think about trying for Bes? Or Lommie?

Boromir88 · 12-10-2009, 02:58 PM

Shasta why switch on someone (talking about Lottie with regards to me) who's defended me as innocent since her reveal or I could just kill her, when I could have just joined in on Lommy and Nog fight today or gone for someone like sally or an easier target?

Consider that before your decision about me. You say this Lottie-thing stinks of wolvery, because I've switched and Nog's assuming she's guilty. But you're assuming she's innocent.

Thinlómien · 12-10-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

In fact I think that's what bothers me the most about this bandwagon - has anyone considered the opposite side of this coin? Like, for instance, we lose a Gifted (because that's what Lottie is, no matter if she's used her gift up or not), and the wolves succeed in making us waste a lynch on her. Haven't we been discussing that the wolves don't dare kill Lottie? If Nog is wrong about Lottie, this whole manuever fits right into their plans.

Yes but at least we don't lose a working gifted or (sorry to say) an innocent who contributes a lot (for the past few Days, Lottie hasn't made any real points, just said I'm suspicious and vote me. We can afford to lose an innocent who is not putting her time to think about different options.)

Nogrod · 12-10-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

WRONG. You can't declare Nogrod's theory concrete information and base decisions off it.

Cool down Shasta... I hope it's not semantics again... I don't think Boro said it was "concrete information". To me at least it is a perfectly believable hypothesis that should be checked. If we had three wolves we really should get rid of one toDay - and we're wrong, as Boro said, we can afford to lose an inncent just to be sure. And what would be the gains if we got it right?

satansaloser2005 · 12-10-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Cool down Shasta... I hope it's not semantics again... I don't think Boro said it was "concrete information". To me at least it is a perfectly believable hypothesis that should be checked. If we had three wolves we really should get rid of one toDay - and we're wrong, as Boro said, we can afford to lose an inncent just to be sure. And what would be the gains if we got it right?

Yes, but what if she was lying about getting only one dream? I don't think it's the case, but I'm just sayin'.

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Cool down Shasta... I hope it's not semantics again... I don't think Boro said it was "concrete information". To me at least it is a perfectly believable hypothesis that should be checked. If we had three wolves we really should get rid of one toDay - and we're wrong, as Boro said, we can afford to lose an inncent just to be sure. And what would be the gains if we got it right?

Noted, but has Lottie even been around to defend herself? This feels like a Lottie lynch is being rushed through for that reason.

Thinlómien · 12-10-2009, 02:58 PM

It's even, Sally.

12-10-2009, 02:31 PM	#2
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Interesting that Morsul is starting to backtrack on Sally... after voting her. "Let's lynch Sally, but if she's innocent, know that I actually didn't suspect her!" I also find it extremely fascinating that Boro is willing to pull a complete 180, not only on Bes, but on Lottie as well, from saying she's a "known innocent" to "let's lynch her today", based solely on a (unproven) theory by Nog that may or may not be true. Honestly, I think I'd rather lynch Boro today than Lommy, but that's probably not going to happen. Edit: X'ed with Lommy. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

12-10-2009, 02:34 PM	#3
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	And just as I'm ready to vote for Lommy, she brings up a point I'd forgotten about - Bes's vote yesterday. It flew in out of nowhere and I couldn't see why - but a Bes-Brinn-Lottie theory makes a certain kind of morbid sense... gah. It's 27 minutes to DL, much too late in the day to be throwing around things like this to make my head hurt. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

12-10-2009, 02:37 PM	#5
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	It's too blankity-blank quiet around here. Let's kill some blankity-blank werewolves! __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

12-10-2009, 02:38 PM	#6
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Nog and Lommy? Bes, Brinn, and Lottie? Lommy and Boro? Sally and Morsul? Ugh. Edit: X'ed with Sally, Nogrod, and Lommy. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

12-10-2009, 02:39 PM	#7
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	I was thinking last Night....what if we have a father-daughter wolf team? I'd go for Bes, Lommie, and Brinn. Really no particular order on the first two now so if people did want to let Lommie go I'd give my reluctant approval. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

12-10-2009, 02:42 PM	#8
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Suspected at the beginning of the day - Lommy, Nogrod, Boro Suspect now - Bes, Lottie Don't really suspect - Brinn Under radar - Sally, Morsul, Nerwen That's a VERY rough list of how I'm feeling right now. I don't think I've ever been so indecisive. Edit: X'ed with Boro, Sally, Sally. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

12-10-2009, 02:43 PM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Let me add Shasta (because of some interactions with Lottie & Bes) and Boro (coolly opportunistic = if my theory of Lottie is wrong lynch him! )... But really Lottie would do... or Bes. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-10-2009, 02:46 PM	#10
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay. Let's try Lottie? It's the most information we can gather... What's the tally? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-10-2009, 02:38 PM	#13
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	So, who are you considering for vote, everybody? I would prefer Lottie or Brinn, but I'm okay with Bes or Sally too. Basically I'm ok with everything that's not me, but I wouldn't feel too happy about lynching Shasta or Boro, as they seem quite innocent to me. edit: xed with two sallies and one nogroar __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

12-10-2009, 02:51 PM	#16
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Sorry... I tried to "preview" to see whether there were new posts and hit the submit button... Well I meant to do that anyway... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-10-2009, 02:58 PM	#17
Bes Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 42	Good lord, so many words and meanings put into my mouth for me toDay. Anyway, not much time before the DL. Either Nog or Lottie is trouble, in my oppinion. Lottie is the one of the two that has evidence against her worth talking about from my point of view, since I've never had much more on Nog than a feeling of wrongness. So Lottie it is. ++Lottie. Edit: Probably crossed with a few.

12-10-2009, 02:53 PM	#20
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	++Lottie __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

12-10-2009, 02:56 PM	#23
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	I can't in good conscience go along with this at the moment. ++Lommy Edit: X'ed with Nogrod. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

12-10-2009, 02:57 PM	#24
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Sally and Shasta if you lynch me and Lottie wolf and her pack kill you I will say you deserved it... I don't claim I can read the mod's mind. I'm just thinking of stuff that would make sense (which is not making a totally new random role we can't get any information on from anywhere). __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

12-10-2009, 02:58 PM	#28
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Shasta why switch on someone (talking about Lottie with regards to me) who's defended me as innocent since her reveal or I could just kill her, when I could have just joined in on Lommy and Nog fight today or gone for someone like sally or an easier target? Consider that before your decision about me. You say this Lottie-thing stinks of wolvery, because I've switched and Nog's assuming she's guilty. But you're assuming she's innocent. __________________ Fenris Penguin

12-10-2009, 02:58 PM	#33
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	It's even, Sally. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

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