TIG LXIX: Meeting at the House of Usher - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mirandir · 11-07-2009, 03:46 PM

Dear Village,

I second Nienna. Kthx.

Love, me

Nogrod · 11-07-2009, 04:08 PM

I thought I was the only one not around and thought I should post first to say I'm around again but it seems it has been a real quiet Day indeed...

I'll go into reading.

Roa_Aoife · 11-07-2009, 04:29 PM

Ok, I'm here and catching up.

McCaber · 11-07-2009, 04:31 PM

I'm here too, by coincidence.

Roa_Aoife · 11-07-2009, 04:50 PM

To start: no, Fea. If Hakon had dreamed of you and found you innocent, he would not have listed you as a possible bad guy. He would have left you out of a bad guy list. He would have tried to hint at your innocence. And the same reasoning that says he would dream you also applies to Boromir. The fact the your insisting on this makes you look far worse to me.

To continue: Having seriously considered the death of Lari, I have an idea. You see, we are hunting wolves, so when we see a villager over-react to suspicion, we think wolf. The wolves, however, are hunting something else all together, and there is another reason a villager may over-react to suspicion. I believe the wolves thought Lari was the ranger. Which means they chose killing her rather than let her live and gamble on lynching her.

To finish: where is everyone? We can't afford to lose to quietness. Those people who haven't shown up yet really need to participate. I'll be around for maybe another hour and a half, and then I have to go.

Inziladun · 11-07-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

To continue: Having seriously considered the death of Lari, I have an idea. You see, we are hunting wolves, so when we see a villager over-react to suspicion, we think wolf. The wolves, however, are hunting something else all together, and there is another reason a villager may over-react to suspicion. I believe the wolves thought Lari was the ranger. Which means they chose killing her rather than let her live and gamble on lynching her..

I guess that's as good an explanation for it as anything else.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

To finish: where is everyone? We can't afford to lose to quietness. Those people who haven't shown up yet really need to participate. I'll be around for maybe another hour and a half, and then I have to go.

Pitch said he would probably not be around toDay. I do wish Lottie would appear, and explain why in one post she calls Nerwen 'guilty', and in the very next apparently believes her innocent.

x/d with Nog

Loslote · 11-07-2009, 05:06 PM

I'm here. Getting caught up. Shouldn't take long - we're still on the same page.

Roa_Aoife · 11-07-2009, 05:09 PM

Fea, what logic possibly draws you to the conclusion the Hakon did not dream Boro? He told us to not worry about the bear, then he listed possible bear suspects, one of whom was the actual bear. You're grasping and it's not fooling anyone.

Loslote · 11-07-2009, 05:11 PM

About the Nerwen confusion: I honestly have no idea. I didn't realize I'd added her in that first list. I was still sorting my thoughts out. That first list really wasn't very good - I forgot McCaber and included Nerwen. Major oops. Sorry.

EDIT: xed with Roa.

Nogrod · 11-07-2009, 05:20 PM

And what's the point of speculating Hakon's possible dreams anyway as there is nothing conclusive - or even things that could be read as hints in any half-reliable way?

Even if you say that Hakon's posts are not conclusive Fea, I don't understand why are you continuosly referring to them as possibly showing you're innocent? Or at least that we should take them as pointing towards your innocence? Or to just only underline the possibility that they might point to your innocence if read on the "right angle"?

Isn't that a bit deliberate?

And still, looking at what happened actually suggests a different interpretation.

Nogrod · 11-07-2009, 04:58 PM

The end of Day2 was odd indeed...

As I read through those final hours last night I was quite convinced they were both wolves: Lari panicking against the suspicions but also offering this odd theory about Hakon's dreams to make Fea innocent and then Fea running to the stage in the end...

But Lari was innocent.

What Nerwen said about the POV of the wolves actually makes the situation even more confusing. The kill seems to point to Fea and the question remains whether that is bold bluffing (Fea is a wolf) or a set-up by the wolves (Fea is innocent). I would say it'd be a set-up by the wolves, but Fea's insistence on speculating about Hakon's dreams yet toDay makes me kind of worried. Like Inzil said: any attempt to use Hakon's possible dreams to point to one's innocence is a major reach...

I mean I was already baffled on the postings of yesterDay as to why people mulled over whether Hakon had revealed someone's innocence as it quite clearly was not the case?

Let me quote the famous first post once again - but look at the bolding this time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakon

I have arrived at last. I am going to start off by saying DON'T PAY ATTENTION THE BEAR YET. I am going to use names from this previous disagreement that has been mentioned. I thought we could use the bear to our advantage and Rikae got mad at me and then there was a fight and the bear killed me. That bear was Mira. Seer whoever you think Mira would make a bear, dream of that person tonight.

So why use capital letters there? It's so out of the normal... I don't believe he just tried to say "let's concentrate on more important issues" or something like that. He said it plain and clear that we should not use our time looking at the bear (for he had the answer to that question?). And I can see Boro noticing that - and after finding himself in the shortlist of three - making sure Hakon would not live to tell any more.

It looks like a very solid tactics from the seer with no major concern on his life on Day1; hinting we should look at other problems, casting the name out in the open but not in a too obvious fashion (like mentioning only Boro).

But how does one turn that and the other "infamous statement":

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakon

Now looking at who Mira would pick to be the bear a few names come to mind. Fea, Boro, and Sally.

into a "revealment" on anyone's innocence?

Nogrod · 11-07-2009, 05:05 PM

McCaber: As you seem to be around, why don't you share your thoughts on people as I don't quite remember you saying too much in this game thus far?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-07-2009, 05:06 PM

Nog, I never said that Hakon conclusively said anything about anybody's innocence. Because he didn't conclusively say anything at all except that he was using forbidden logic.

That being said, he definitely dreamed of somebody, and since I don't think he dreamed of Boro, that leaves me to wonder who he did dream of. If he didn't dream of Boro, then the logical conclusion is that he dreamed of one of the other people he mentioned. Hence, maybe he dreamed of me, maybe he didn't.

This really has been a dead day... I was gone for hours and was expecting a slew of posts upon my return. Apparently I expected wrong.

Let me think for a bit and I'll get back to everyone.

11-07-2009, 03:46 PM	#1
Mirandir Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: CT/NY Posts: 681	Dear Village, I second Nienna. Kthx. Love, me __________________ Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.

11-07-2009, 04:08 PM	#2
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I thought I was the only one not around and thought I should post first to say I'm around again but it seems it has been a real quiet Day indeed... I'll go into reading. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

11-07-2009, 04:29 PM	#3
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Ok, I'm here and catching up. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

11-07-2009, 04:31 PM	#4
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	I'm here too, by coincidence. __________________ Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century.

11-07-2009, 04:50 PM	#5
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	To start: no, Fea. If Hakon had dreamed of you and found you innocent, he would not have listed you as a possible bad guy. He would have left you out of a bad guy list. He would have tried to hint at your innocence. And the same reasoning that says he would dream you also applies to Boromir. The fact the your insisting on this makes you look far worse to me. To continue: Having seriously considered the death of Lari, I have an idea. You see, we are hunting wolves, so when we see a villager over-react to suspicion, we think wolf. The wolves, however, are hunting something else all together, and there is another reason a villager may over-react to suspicion. I believe the wolves thought Lari was the ranger. Which means they chose killing her rather than let her live and gamble on lynching her. To finish: where is everyone? We can't afford to lose to quietness. Those people who haven't shown up yet really need to participate. I'll be around for maybe another hour and a half, and then I have to go. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

11-07-2009, 05:06 PM	#7
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	I'm here. Getting caught up. Shouldn't take long - we're still on the same page. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

11-07-2009, 05:09 PM	#8
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Fea, what logic possibly draws you to the conclusion the Hakon did not dream Boro? He told us to not worry about the bear, then he listed possible bear suspects, one of whom was the actual bear. You're grasping and it's not fooling anyone. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

11-07-2009, 05:11 PM	#9
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	About the Nerwen confusion: I honestly have no idea. I didn't realize I'd added her in that first list. I was still sorting my thoughts out. That first list really wasn't very good - I forgot McCaber and included Nerwen. Major oops. Sorry. EDIT: xed with Roa. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

11-07-2009, 05:20 PM	#10
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	And what's the point of speculating Hakon's possible dreams anyway as there is nothing conclusive - or even things that could be read as hints in any half-reliable way? Even if you say that Hakon's posts are not conclusive Fea, I don't understand why are you continuosly referring to them as possibly showing you're innocent? Or at least that we should take them as pointing towards your innocence? Or to just only underline the possibility that they might point to your innocence if read on the "right angle"? Isn't that a bit deliberate? And still, looking at what happened actually suggests a different interpretation. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

11-07-2009, 05:05 PM	#12
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	McCaber: As you seem to be around, why don't you share your thoughts on people as I don't quite remember you saying too much in this game thus far? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

11-07-2009, 05:06 PM	#13
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Nog, I never said that Hakon conclusively said anything about anybody's innocence. Because he didn't conclusively say anything at all except that he was using forbidden logic. That being said, he definitely dreamed of somebody, and since I don't think he dreamed of Boro, that leaves me to wonder who he did dream of. If he didn't dream of Boro, then the logical conclusion is that he dreamed of one of the other people he mentioned. Hence, maybe he dreamed of me, maybe he didn't. This really has been a dead day... I was gone for hours and was expecting a slew of posts upon my return. Apparently I expected wrong. Let me think for a bit and I'll get back to everyone. __________________ peace

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