T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Thinlómien]

Rather eerie. I was the Night-talker last Night and I chose (both out of curiousity and slight schedule problems) to talk with Greenie. A few hours before the DL I asked her who she thinks will die toNight. She said: "I would have said myself, but now that Roa started suspecting me, probably not." And we started speculating. The names that appeared were Legate, Nerwen, Kath and Brinn. In the end, I insisted on making a clear guess. I said Brinn, Greenie said Kath or Brinn. So it is rather creepy to find her dead toDay...

All an all our chat was fine. I asked Greenie (I confess, not exactly without any "sinister" intentions) to summarise the end of Day2 to me before I read it. Her summary revolved mostly around the actions of Roa and Legate (which is rather understandable ) and on what people had said about me, as far as she remembered. It seemed a rather innocent series of recollections, I think a wolf would've been pressured to talk about more people, or mentioned at least one of her mates because she would've remembered what they did (if they did something). I know Legate or Roa could be Greenie's mates, but I feel it's more likely she talked about them because they both made such a show of themselves yesterDay.

On the whole, our chat made me feel better about Greenie. She seemed honest and thinking on the innocent trail of thought. I'm not entirely convinced though - I was the one to initiate all the topics and she remained rather passive, and she said once something weird about forgetting it's possible Kath's guilty and saving it with saying she always forgets she may be guilty. But even that wasn't too weird.

I see a full-size war between Legate and Roa is about to start. My current feeling towards it is to sit back, watch and grab some popcorn. I think both of them are more on the innocent side, Legate more so than Roa, but I'm so unsure I would not take sides. Besides I think this will be educational.

Then some quotes from yesterDay and toDay:

Originally Posted by Greenie

Also, I'm not entirely comfortable with having Roa as Captain. I think I already said something about this yesterDay. This has nothing to do with suspecting her (she's in the very middle of my no idea -category, in fact) nor with disliking her playing style (as I like it a lot). It's just that she's a very influential player already now, and I fear that if she was elected Captain this village might be in danger of becoming too much led by one person alone.

I don't think that'd be too much of a problem - people suspect her well enough and she would only be the Captain for one Day and Night. And remember a vocal villager only has as much power as we give her.

Originally Posted by Legate

It's not that I would not have any votes at all and then suddenly ended up a Captain. I was given trust by quite many people in the village, okay, you excluded, but others were fine with it, so what?

It's exactly the fact that 1) I didn't vote you and 2) you didn't even get the most votes, so I may be displeased. (Which is rather funny, because I did consider voting you.)

Originally Posted by Legate

Eyebrow-raising, you say? Why? And it's not that I would come and shout "yaaay I want to be Captain, make me Captain one more day!" I just asked, if you want to see, I said:
The point is rather: okay, we have this rule that Captain could do something with the lynch, but he needs to be there for second Day, I have been there for one Day, do you want to see it or not? You can see for yourself that it wasn't "come and make me a Captain again, it was so great!".

And I said quite clearly I do not want to see it at all, and it seems rather suspicious to me that someone nicely volunteers to be the test dummy for the Captain's full powers. It's a lot the same as what you accuse Roa of - subtly volunteering for the post as if you didn't want it especially although you do.

But I'm not, in fact, entirely convinced a wolf would want to be a Captain. Maybe they wouldn't mind the tie-breaking normally, but when it comes to breaking a tie between a fellow and an innocent? Either decision can be dangerous. And would they want to manipulate innocents in Nightly discussions or would they dread the extra chance to get caught? I think it's more about individual wolves (and incidentally, I would see Roa and Legate as wolves wanting to be Captains, whereas I wouldn't want to be one - not because of the tie-thing, I can do that, but because I would not want innocents questioning me during the Night-time...)

Originally Posted by Nerwen

The thing is, Roa, if Legate is a wolf, than there must have been one heck of a conspiracy going on yesterDay. A lot of planning, I mean– many of the Legate-for-Captain voters, as I recall, were the same people who voted to lynch Rune.

That's a good point, actually, but a little less valid from my point of view considering that I've started to wonder if the wolves would really be so eager to vote their fellows to be Captains...

Originally Posted by Legate

Also, the way she downplays me as the Captain - okay, now I don't want it to sound too personally, but I just think she would not be as uncertain of me, or at least, I think she would not be so worried of me being in the post of Captain for one more Day if she were innocent. Because I believe she would have good enough reading of me to determine whether I am worry-worthy or not. And so, she should not have minded that much (given what she says herself) to leave me there.

Darling, hope you don't mind me saying, but I believe you are taking it personally. I do actually consider you quite innocent at the moment so whatever my initial feeling was I do/did not mind your Captaincy, but I just don't think anyone should stay in power for two Days. Like I said, not even myself. I may trust you, but I do not trust your judgement.

And I can't really defend myself against what you said about sayings about Rune and Hakon, because I wrote what I felt/thought about them and I can't help it if you think it was wolvish.

I don't know what to make of Roa defending me so adamantly. Of course it's nice to have friends but I can't help the feeling that she'd be trying to attach herself to an innocent she agrees with and normally gets along with like that. But then again, she and I have sort of formed alliances once or twice in past games when we've thought each other innocent. Bleargh.

Valier's role surprised me, I have to say. It didn't occur to me she could be a cobbler, she looked so much more like a wolf. But I don't really mind, of course (good choice, Nienna!).

Where are Kath and Gwath?

I currently feel better about Nerwen and worse about Fea.

Originally Posted by Roa

Also, once again, I call for a vote of no confidence in Nienna. Again, it's better to not allow anyone to have the full power of a captain. Even if you think they're innocent, the only way to know for sure is if you're a wolf. So without a known innocent to fill the position, we need to keep rotating for the safety of the village. It's too great a risk.

Agreed. Although Nienna is more or less on the top of my "who's innocent" list.

Unlike Nienna, I'm not surprised to see Roa alive. True, she is very dangerous to the wolves when innocent, but she also always creates a lot of mess and contradictory feelings, so as long as the wolves think they can pull it off, it makes sense to keep her. But that, of course, is no proof she's innocent. I'm getting more and more confused about her.

I agree with Nerwen about Brinn's death, although I don't get how come the death frames her in a game where there's no seer. It is interesting what Nerwen says about Roa and Kath.

I'm off now, but I'll be back later.