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Yeah, I really am sorry about that. I knew I'd be busy around DL and didn't want to forget (or not be able to vote, the way my internet's been acting lately) so I didn't have much choice. And now it looks like I won't be around most of the day anyway.
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Greenie and Brinn will follow after lunch and a trip to the store.
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Skyrim, again.
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Well, in the one game that I absolutely should not be lynched, look what happened. I guess now is as good a time as any. I am the ranger. I know, I've been doing a terrible job as far as the guarding goes. Here's a list of the people I tried to save:
Boro Little Green Nilp Nogrod Brinn Nerwen was my second choice the night she was killed, and I spent quite a while thinking about that one. And then when Nog bit it the day after, it wasn't a good thing at all. The night that the sun rose early, I guarded Nilp. Just on the off chance that it actually was a save and not something like the wolves not sending in a kill or one of those other special abilities. I led off with Boro, because he's always a target, and the quicker I can figure him out the easier game I would have had. Greenie was more or less a random pick, and Nilp and Nog were because the wolves had been targeting people who were making solid contributions and throwing things around. Brinn I chose because I knew the wolves probably were going to kill Nog, so I wanted my next night to be open for someone I thought to be innocent. Not that I'm throwing any heavy suspicion her way, I just thought there are at least two people here I see as more innocent than her. I do realize I have one vote already, so I'm taking a very large risk here. Talia jacta est.
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And that's why I don't vote early.
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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Well, this is a nice mess to come back to. Alas for wilwa, our poor Hunter, and alas for Nogrod!
It hasn't been mentioned yet, but some of you may wonder whether I had a hand in Nog's death for coming after me yesterDay - and if the wolves are indeed trying to frame me, he was a consequent choice for the Night-kill. Truth is, there's no drop of his blood on my hands. I actually appreciated his grilling me and forcing me to explain myself, as it made me think things over and see more clearly, and I really regret he's not around any more to hear me defend myself. These were the points of suspicion against me he brought forward yesterDay: 1. My Guard vote for Nerwen the Day before yesterDay When I said 'obviously a good choice' I meant it. She looked innocent to me, and she'd been very reasonable and helpful all game long, so I thought she might well be the wolves' next victim - as indeed she was. Whatever doubts had kept me from Guard-voting her earlier dated back to the time when I suspected Boro, because of connections between them, and had dissolved by then. 2. My suspicion of Boro in #403 and the reasons given Points 1, 2, 5 and 6 (pity I didn't number them) don't really hold any more, and weren't really crucial back then. What mattered most to me was that he tried very hard to convince us the wolves weren't using the NG for a frame, and his lack of comment after it had become clear they had in fact done so - but I later admitted that this lack may have been due to time issues. 'Creepy' probably was too strong a word to describe my impression of him. The thing is, I actually find it quite easy to trust him and was afraid I might therefore overlook something suspicious, so when I looked at him closely and found what looked to me like some fair reasons to suspect him, it kinda gave me the shivers. 3. My 'please suspect me' post (#432, quoted by Nog in #604) Case of 'careful what you wish, you might get it'. Well, after my abominable voting on the first two Days, I thought people might have reason to be suspicious of me, and was a little surprised it hadn't happened yet. At the time, of course, I was still deluded enough to think that my defense of Zil was a good idea and I was actually doing better, or I would never have been sarcastic about it. So in short, I do plead guilty of having made some serious mistakes, but I'm innocent of wolvery. And now I'd like to concentrate on finding out who the real wolves are. I've not quite digested McCaber's reveal yet, but for the moment I tend to believe him.
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Present and catching up.
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This definitely makes things more interesting... we shall see if there are any counter-reveals. This definitely gives us some more stuff to talk about. McCaber do you have thoughts on people?
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Meh, let's kill him anyway. It's probably been a while since a village had a full set of lynched gifteds.
![]() Aka --Cabbie *headdesks, eats lunch, gets ready to head out again*
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Talking about those secret roles again, I'm wondering whether we're ever going to find out about them. Has anybody else noticed Nog's armour and sword in last Night's narration?
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Good news (for you lot at least). The person I was to interview had to leave town early so I came home and will be here for....another hour or so. But I'll definitely have to vote an hour before DL if not earlier.
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines]
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Checking in @4AM local. Man, I must be crazy . . .
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GO TO BED, CHILD!!!!
![]() EDIT: x'd with Boro. Also, I'm really tired for some reason, so if I disappear it's 'cause I fell asleep for a bit.
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It just occurred to me - among the surviving wilwa voters (those whose vote counted), Brinn and Nienna can't both be wolves. Both of them contributed to Zil's lynching on Day 3 (Brinn giving him the third vote, Nienna the fifth), and I can see one wolf doing that, but hardly two. Nienna's vote, late in the bandwagon when Zil already looked like a lost case, seems more suspicious to me.
As for Greenie - she joined forces with my misguided effort to avoid lynching Zil, and voted to Guard me on the same Day (following Zil's example?). I don't quite know what to make of this. As a wolf who found me useful, she would have known I was in no danger of being Night-killed. So, Greenie, did you honestly believe we were right (as I did) ? (x-ed from Nilp #677 onwards)
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The good news is I've divided the remaining players into 2 groups based on how they've interacted with eachother and the wolf Inzil.
Pitch Greenie Nilp Pitch and Greenie were both very defensive of Inzil, and Nilp is pretty much saying he will not vote for Greenie or Pitch. Plus Inzil had very little interaction between the 3 of them. Brinn Nienna Sally Brinn and Nienna went after and sealed Inzil's fate and Inzil jokingly suspected them, and sally is just thrown in there because I really have no clue. So far, I'm thinking the first group are more likely Inzil's partners, the way the night guard votes have spread out and no one clearly following someone, I think the wolves were trying to separate themselves as much as possible. *However, sally and Nilp are interchangeable in my opinion. Just thought I'd throw out what I'm currently thinking, now back to Pitch.
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Greenie:
36: Thinks there would be more to loose than gain if the seer revealed. Worried about Mnemo 39: Asks Nilp why he voted for himself 43: Says that she is not someone who one would want to get on bad terms with 95: Suspicious of Nog for his suspicion of Lommy 99: Would rather vote for someone with suspicion than a random vote or a vote for someone not contributing 102: Doesn’t like Day One’s, defends her mid-day chats 120: Is feeling ok about Mnemo now and defends herself, is still suspicious of Nog 138: Lynch votes Nog and guards me but mentions that she isn’t throwing away her guard vote completely… this is odd. 218: Doesn’t think the wolves would give up their kill so will probably vote Legate. 290: Mentions some possibilities for if Legate is innocent and if she doesn’t survive… votes to lynch Legate and guard Nog because he is her second top suspect and if he is innocent he is valuable. 410: Thinks that even though we can’t be certain of Nog’s guilt we should still pay attention to him … wolf trying to get another easy lynch??, then she doesn’t like Nerwen and her vote for Zil… it looks like she could be trying to get the heat off of her mate. 411: List: Creepy: Nerwen, Nog, Sally; No Idea: Brinn, Zil, McCaber, Pitchwife, Wilwa; Cuddly: Boro, Hakon, Nienna, Nilp 419: Asking who others want to lynch 422: Shies away from looking at Zil and wants to look at Boro instead 436: Doesn’t want to join the bandwagon so lynch votes for Sally instead 437: Guards Pitchwife because he is an easy Night target 479: Congratulates Zil voters, thinks wolves in the Zil bandwagon would be at the beginning and end, wonders about Hakon 482: List: Leaning Innocent: Boro, Nienna, Nilp, Pitchwife; No Idea: Brinn, McCaber, Nog, Wilwa; Leaning Evil: Hakon, Nerwen, and Sally 484: Worried that people aren’t taking Nog into account at all. 486: Talks about the Shasta guard-wagon 505: Sally creeps her out, flip-flops about Nerwen, Hakon is also being considered for her lynch target 507: Quote:
510: Lynch votes Hakon and guard votes Boro 582: Defends her flip-flop nature in regards to Nog, then defends avoiding attention saying there isn’t much else she can do short of screaming "Heeeeeeeeeeey I'm a wolf!" 583: Wonders if a McCaber lynch is too easy 593: Lynch votes her only real suspect: Sally, guard votes for me but I couldn’t be guarded again so she changed to Wilwa in 595 647: Wonders if the Wilwa bandwagon was orchestrated by a wolf and if maybe one of the other lynch options was a wolf as well 650-651: Theory that both Pitchwife and McCaber are wolves, then that would make me a wolf as well Moral of the Story: I'm pretty sure she's a wolf. Edit: x-ed with a bunch
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I'm currently at a loss (surprisingly enough ) because my top suspects according to logic are Pitchwife and Nienna who both feel very innocent. Then again, my feel of people is often quite off and I think I'd rather trust my logic this time. It is a truly fatal Day. If we lynch an innocent, it's Game over. That is why I want to make a rational, well thought out vote that will (hopefully) contribute to the death of a werewolf.Relating to that, I'm curious if the people who find me creepy have any reasons for that. I don't mind people being suspicious of me, as long as they don't lose us the game by lynching me, but I'd prefer to know why so that I can answer to those suspicions. Because, as we all know, the best way of finding out whether someone is really a baddie or just an innocent is actually discussing with that person. Just saying "She creeps me out" doesn't lead to any conclusions on the said person's identity unless lynched. By that time it's too late. We want to consider all options. We just really really can't mess this up toDay, which is why I don't fancy "S/he creeps me out" -style suspicions whether they are about me or someone else. EDIT: x-ed with Boro, Nilp and Nienna
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To Pitch
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#373 and #375 is more of Pitch sharing his mind about the wolf kills. Again, how come Inzil never pointed out you seemed to know the wolve's mind very well Pitchers? In both he also defense Inzil, and defends Nogrod. #391: Quote:
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I persuaded you to vote for Kit? I've taken responsibility for that crapper mistake, while you continue to blame me for persuading you. What would the point be in actually stating Legate was framed? The reason I suspected Nogrod still, is because I thought after that night when there was one kill, Nogrod immediately came out and tried to pass off he was innocent. However, as I told Nogrod I made an error, it was wilwa and Hakon. And me agreeing with someone about one of their suspicions is sketchy...because? Weren't you the one who became persuaded to vote for Kitanna, because of me and Nerwen? The lab I'm at is closing in 10 minutes, I'll head back and finish Pitch in a bit.
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You know what? Right now, I'm beginning to think I may just be too honest for this game. And I'm getting tired of sackcloth & ashes. I'm assuming you're coming after me because you honestly suspect me to be a wolf. I don't say the suspicion is unearned, and you do it well. But if you're a wolf driving nails into my coffin to make sure another innocent is lynched, well done too. Sadly, the truth as you see it will see us all dead. P.S. Before I forget it: ++Guard McCaber I think if he was faking, we would have a counter-reveal by now. (x-ed with a host)
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Brinn looks pretty good, I really like #530, she has a large list of suspects. Maybe she was just throwing anything out to see what sticks, but, small, focused on the minimum number of people is very suspicious, and that has not been Brinn.
Plus her defense against sally, because of her wilwa vote looks innocent. She was suspicious on Inzil for most of Day 2 and Day 3 and votes for him on Day 3. I can't fault her for her logic on wanting to lynch Legate, because the same thing was virtually in my mind...I would have smothered myself if we had a wolf-Legate from a guard vote and just let him get a free pass. Sorry I'm getting terribly sloppy and quick in my comments. Edit: crossed with a bunches, might as well take a blind shot at someone
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Nilp, why won't you consider to vote for Pitch or Greenie?
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Reasonable doubt about their Wolvishness. I don't have enough suspicion of them to vote for them over other people. That list is willing to change, though, depending on my analyses. For example, I'm unwilling to vote for McCaber now (duh); Sally, Nienna or Brinn are the ones I'm most likely to vote. Still reading and analysing a lot, though, cos I have to be sure.
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Trying to find patterns... I deleted everyone's votes who is no longer alive (except the last day I kept Nog's in because he was important)
DAY ONE: Lynch: Nilp-->Nilp Brinn-->Cabbie Boro-->Kit (2) Greenie-->Nog Cabbie-->Wilwa (2) Pitchie-->Kit (4) Nienna-->Dun Sally-->Kit (6) Guard: Brinn-->Legate Sally-->Mnemo Boro-->Nienna Greenie-->Nienna (2) Nienna-->Mnemo (2) Pitchie-->Boro (4) DAY TWO Lynch Nilp-->Dun Boro-->Legate (2) Greenie-->Legate (4) Nienna-->Legate (5) Brinn-->Legate (7) Pitch-->Legate (8) Cabbie-->Dun (3) Sally-->Legate (12) Guard Nilp-->Wilwa Boro-->Nerwen Greenie-->Nog Nienna-->Nerwen (2) Brinn-->Shasta Pitch-->Nog (2) Cabbie-->Noggie (3) Sally-->Nienna DAY THREE Lynch: Nilp-->Dun Nienna-->Dun (3) Brinn-->Dun (5) Greenie-->Sally Pitchie-->Boro Guard: Nilp-->Boro Nienna-->Shasta Brinn-->Nerwen (3) Greenie-->Pitchie (3) Pitchie-->Shasta (2) Sally-->Shasta (3) Day Four Lynch: Greenie-->Hakon (2) Boro-->Wilwa Brinn-->Wilwa (3) Nienna-->Hakon (3) Sally--> Hakon (5) Pitchwife--> McCaber Guard: Greenie-->Boro Sally-->Nienna (2) Nienna-->Sally Pitchwife--> Nerwen Brinn--> Nog Day Five: Lynch: Nilp--> McCaber (2) McCaber--> Pitchwife Greenie--> Sally Boro--> Pitchwife (2) Brinn--> Wilwa Nienna--> Wilwa (2) Nog--> Wilwa (3) Sally--> Wilwa (didn’t count) Guard: Nilp--> Boro McCaber--> Nilp Greenie--> Nienna --Greenie-- Nienna Greenie --> Wilwa Boro--> Nog Brinn--> Boro (2) Nienna--> Nog (2) Nog--> Boro (3) Sally--> Nog (didn’t count)
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A List:
Evil:
Greenie Leaning Evil: Nilp Pitchwife No Idea: Sally Brinn Leaning Innocent: Boro Innocent: Nienna McCaber
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The Sweetest Spoiler
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I had a think and came to this conclusion.
Good: Sally (duh) Cabbie (apparently) Nienna Meh: Nilp Boro Brinn Evil: Greenie Pitchie I know, I know, my list looks a lot like Nienna's, but hers has nothing to do with mine. If Cabbie's innocent it changes my opinion on Pitch dramatically, and I've thought Greenie rather weird for a while. Wish I could explain more thoroughly, but alas, I can't. Oh, and although it should be obvious.... ++Cabbie
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