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Pitchwife · 08-13-2009, 03:37 PM

Answering Rikae's questions -
the phantom: honestly, I was rather scared of playing with him in my second game ever, as I reckoned he'd be completely inscrutable (which he is). Surprisingly, I find myself rather inclined to go with it and and hope for the best, as he puts it himself. If he's a wolf, he's much too cunning for me, so I might as well take him at face value, at least until he starts contradicting himself or makes a vote I find suspicious.
Hakon: the strongest feeling I've ever had about him was for persistently hurting my pet Petty-dwarf in Hurt and Heal, and that wasn't really strong.
alona and autume: No strong feelings on either.
Nessa: nothing strong, except I think she may be the most cunning of the newbies.
And Rikae, sorry, but I don't fear you. Should I?

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 03:49 PM

Well, if we go with the theory that at least some wolves are likely to be chosen from among those no one mentioned, our newbies should need scrutiny.
If phantom is, as I thought, widely feared and distrusted - well, I'm not sure what to conclude from it at this point. He attracts so much attention I'm generally tempted to leave him to the seer, but then, we may be kicking ourselves later for keeping him around if he's evil, and if it's true he's never been lynched that's good reason to lynch him in itself. Shame morm locked in his vote.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 03:51 PM

Why do I get the feeling phantom is repeating what I said before...?

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Answering Rikae's questions -
the phantom: honestly, I was rather scared of playing with him in my second game ever, as I reckoned he'd be completely inscrutable (which he is). Surprisingly, I find myself rather inclined to go with it and and hope for the best, as he puts it himself. If he's a wolf, he's much too cunning for me, so I might as well take him at face value, at least until he starts contradicting himself or makes a vote I find suspicious.
Hakon: the strongest feeling I've ever had about him was for persistently hurting my pet Petty-dwarf in Hurt and Heal, and that wasn't really strong.
alona and autume: No strong feelings on either.
Nessa: nothing strong, except I think she may be the most cunning of the newbies.
And Rikae, sorry, but I don't fear you. Should I?

Out of all us newbies Nessa and Autume have played more games then the rest of us. Why do you think Nessa is the most cunning? Is it cause she was the wolf last game?

Pitchwife · 08-13-2009, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakon

Out of all us newbies Nessa and Autume have played more games then the rest of us. Why do you think Nessa is the most cunning? Is it cause she was the wolf last game?

That, and IIRC she was the last wolf standing, flushed out only by a concerted action of the gifteds. Also she seems to have gotten the hang of the game quite well, if I may say so, being a newbie myself (this is only my second game).

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 04:20 PM

Hm, I thought you had played more, Pitchwife. Another question, then - does anyone have a strong opinion on Pitchwife, in general?

Nerwen · 08-13-2009, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Hm, I thought you had played more, Pitchwife. Another question, then - does anyone have a strong opinion on Pitchwife, in general?

*shrugs* Not yet. He's being pretty non-committal himself...

And yeah, he came across like an old hand in his first game.

Macalaure · 08-13-2009, 04:39 PM

Well, well, it's day one again. I can't see anybody who is actually suspicious. For a change, why don't you baddies try to be a bit more obvious?

Eh, whatever, a list:

Alona: don't like her vote.
Autume: not comfortable with her.
Brinn: morm had a very good point against her, but her defense looked honest.
Durelin: feels clean and knows what cats know that makes them scream like babies in night.
Fea: rode to ruin and the world's ending.
Form: acted almost too Form-stereotypical in his one post.
Hakon: all over the place and probably innocent.
Inzy: not comfortable with him, but can't point to it.
Lari: feels good.
Lommy: not here.
Mira: innocent?
morm: bad vote, good conscience.
Nerwen: feels good, which probably means she's evil.
Nessa: innocent-ish.
Nienna: the little she posted looks ok.
Pitchwife: Rikae's points against him are the best I've seen so far, and that says it all.
Rikae: all over the place and probably innocent.*
Sally: bad vote, good conscience.
Shasta: ?
phantom: one is tempted to tune him out. I will look at him eventually if we both keep on staying alive.

*If I'm dead toMorrow, then evil Rikae has killed me for giving her the same comment as Hakon.

Anyway, this Hakon-waggon is getting out of hands. Who do you think we should put on the rails instead?

Boromir88 · 08-13-2009, 04:41 PM

I ♥ Lari. I hope you're here at the DL so I can get up-to-date voting tallies. Instead of trolling through pages to get all the votes

Formendacil · 08-13-2009, 04:52 PM

*groans in pain*

You know, when I started catching up on this thread--apparently a loooong time ago--there were still only 9 pages.

This is page 10.

This is ridiculous.

For once, I have to confess, I'm glad it's Day 1, because that means it's lacking substance, for the most part, and I didn't have read it in-depth--though, given the lack of substance, I think I still got most of it anyway.

Two quick thoughts:

First, regarding the Fea-Waggon, I will submit to the village that this is patent nonsense. If, perchance, Fea is a wolf, then why bother voting for her? We should try and take out a second baddie (Wolf, Bear, Cobbler) while we're at it. If Fea is a villager, then we definitely want to try and take out a Baddie, since the village is already facing a probable two deaths tonight. And if Fea's a Gifted... well... that's really bad--but again, we still want to try and take out a Wolf.

I realise, for those older players who remember (or the younger ones who may have read back), that this may seem a trifle anti-Formendacil in style, since it makes it sound like I think we have a good chance of catching a baddie on Day 1. We don't--let me make that clear--or, rather, we have exactly as much a chance as usual. I continue to aver, as I always have, that we're grossly unlikely to reason our way to finding a Wolf (or Bear, for that matter) on Day 1, but the stats show that Fenris lynches are not impossible, so we may as well at least try for one of those. Also, to emphasize the often forgotten second half of my anti-Day 1 thesis: "Day 1s are useless to analyse on Day 1." My point being that we'll be wanting a voting record tomorrow to analyze, and voting for Fea is an abdication of that, every bit as much as No Voting, but with the psychological pretension that it's an actual vote.

My second thought regards Hakon. I more or less agree (bearing in mind that I skim read a page or two of this thread...) with everything Rikae said in argument against his plots and schemes, but he is the spitting image of the "All-Too-Easy Day 1 Scapegoat" vote... who might be a newbie in some games, or just too noisy... or too quiet... or too easy... or whatever... in others. He's rubbed me enough the wrong way with his suggestions that I can't honestly say he seems a village asset, but that has all the hallmarks of a Village Ordo.

More anon... I haven't had lunch, my cold has not been helped by getting to bed ridiculously late last night (see my previous post), and my brain hurts.

alonariel · 08-13-2009, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Alona: don't like her vote.

Anyway, this Hakon-waggon is getting out of hands. Who do you think we should put on the rails instead?

Because it came after morm's? I guess that does seem off, but then, I was accused of piggy-backing on your thoughts last game, Mac. Guess I better work on my originality some more, huh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

By the way- those of you against Hakon, what do you think he is? Villain, Bear, or Cobbler?

I'm leaning towards either Cobbler or Bear, but again, it's Day 1, and it's largely a hunch. I will admit to being a little annoyed with Hakon early on, but I still am getting vibes off his posts. I don't want to think it's all newbie mistakes... That said, I wouldn't discount autume, either. Are there any other newbies here, besides myself and the two I mentioned?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Let's throw something new in here:

++Alonariel

Didn't post any substance apart from her vote post (266), which, apart from fueling the then-fresh Hakon-waggon, is very agreeing and vague.

Sorry! I've been at work from 12 to 6 and have been playing catch up with all the posts. Is this payback for voting for you on Day 1 last game?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Mac, hm, I can't really see the suspiciousness of that post. It looks like best-friends-with-Lari-ishness followed by a sort of placeholder vote - plus, alona won't be around to defend herself until later, as she said. Nah, on second thought, I'd better vote for someone else.

I don't know you that well (though I've heard great things from people!), but thank you for that.

08-13-2009, 03:37 PM	#1
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Answering Rikae's questions - the phantom: honestly, I was rather scared of playing with him in my second game ever, as I reckoned he'd be completely inscrutable (which he is). Surprisingly, I find myself rather inclined to go with it and and hope for the best, as he puts it himself. If he's a wolf, he's much too cunning for me, so I might as well take him at face value, at least until he starts contradicting himself or makes a vote I find suspicious. Hakon: the strongest feeling I've ever had about him was for persistently hurting my pet Petty-dwarf in Hurt and Heal, and that wasn't really strong. alona and autume: No strong feelings on either. Nessa: nothing strong, except I think she may be the most cunning of the newbies. And Rikae, sorry, but I don't fear you. Should I? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

08-13-2009, 04:41 PM	#9
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I ♥ Lari. I hope you're here at the DL so I can get up-to-date voting tallies. Instead of trolling through pages to get all the votes __________________ Fenris Penguin

08-13-2009, 04:52 PM	#10
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	groans in pain You know, when I started catching up on this thread--apparently a loooong time ago--there were still only 9 pages. This is page 10. This is ridiculous. For once, I have to confess, I'm glad it's Day 1, because that means it's lacking substance, for the most part, and I didn't have read it in-depth--though, given the lack of substance, I think I still got most of it anyway. Two quick thoughts: First, regarding the Fea-Waggon, I will submit to the village that this is patent nonsense. If, perchance, Fea is a wolf, then why bother voting for her? We should try and take out a second baddie (Wolf, Bear, Cobbler) while we're at it. If Fea is a villager, then we definitely want to try and take out a Baddie, since the village is already facing a probable two deaths tonight. And if Fea's a Gifted... well... that's really bad--but again, we still want to try and take out a Wolf. I realise, for those older players who remember (or the younger ones who may have read back), that this may seem a trifle anti-Formendacil in style, since it makes it sound like I think we have a good chance of catching a baddie on Day 1. We don't--let me make that clear--or, rather, we have exactly as much a chance as usual. I continue to aver, as I always have, that we're grossly unlikely to reason our way to finding a Wolf (or Bear, for that matter) on Day 1, but the stats show that Fenris lynches are not impossible, so we may as well at least try for one of those. Also, to emphasize the often forgotten second half of my anti-Day 1 thesis: "Day 1s are useless to analyse on Day 1." My point being that we'll be wanting a voting record tomorrow to analyze, and voting for Fea is an abdication of that, every bit as much as No Voting, but with the psychological pretension that it's an actual vote. My second thought regards Hakon. I more or less agree (bearing in mind that I skim read a page or two of this thread...) with everything Rikae said in argument against his plots and schemes, but he is the spitting image of the "All-Too-Easy Day 1 Scapegoat" vote... who might be a newbie in some games, or just too noisy... or too quiet... or too easy... or whatever... in others. He's rubbed me enough the wrong way with his suggestions that I can't honestly say he seems a village asset, but that has all the hallmarks of a Village Ordo. More anon... I haven't had lunch, my cold has not been helped by getting to bed ridiculously late last night (see my previous post), and my brain hurts. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

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08-13-2009, 03:49 PM	#2
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Well, if we go with the theory that at least some wolves are likely to be chosen from among those no one mentioned, our newbies should need scrutiny. If phantom is, as I thought, widely feared and distrusted - well, I'm not sure what to conclude from it at this point. He attracts so much attention I'm generally tempted to leave him to the seer, but then, we may be kicking ourselves later for keeping him around if he's evil, and if it's true he's never been lynched that's good reason to lynch him in itself. Shame morm locked in his vote.

08-13-2009, 03:51 PM	#3
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Why do I get the feeling phantom is repeating what I said before...?

08-13-2009, 04:20 PM	#6
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Hm, I thought you had played more, Pitchwife. Another question, then - does anyone have a strong opinion on Pitchwife, in general?

08-13-2009, 04:39 PM	#8
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Well, well, it's day one again. I can't see anybody who is actually suspicious. For a change, why don't you baddies try to be a bit more obvious? Eh, whatever, a list: Alona: don't like her vote. Autume: not comfortable with her. Brinn: morm had a very good point against her, but her defense looked honest. Durelin: feels clean and knows what cats know that makes them scream like babies in night. Fea: rode to ruin and the world's ending. Form: acted almost too Form-stereotypical in his one post. Hakon: all over the place and probably innocent. Inzy: not comfortable with him, but can't point to it. Lari: feels good. Lommy: not here. Mira: innocent? morm: bad vote, good conscience. Nerwen: feels good, which probably means she's evil. Nessa: innocent-ish. Nienna: the little she posted looks ok. Pitchwife: Rikae's points against him are the best I've seen so far, and that says it all. Rikae: all over the place and probably innocent.* Sally: bad vote, good conscience. Shasta: ? phantom: one is tempted to tune him out. I will look at him eventually if we both keep on staying alive. If I'm dead toMorrow, then evil Rikae* has killed me for giving her the same comment as Hakon. Anyway, this Hakon-waggon is getting out of hands. Who do you think we should put on the rails instead?