WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Shastanis Althreduin]

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PLUSPLUS BOROMIR88*

*not a real vote

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Nerwen is right. Every time there's an actual good competitive Gifted fake, I get lynched. Why is that?

[Mithalwen]

Don't whine Shasta.. not helpful...

May be able ot look in briefly but.. need to vote now....

[Mithalwen]

++Macalaure ...

trusting Boro not myself..

[satansaloser2005]

No posts in two hours? Rubbish.


Well, I'm off, not to return until after the game. I just wanted to leave a message.


Good night packmate(s)
Good night packmate(s)
Good night packmate(s)
Turn the village into tasty chow


*snickers, scurries off*


Farewell, everyone! Enjoy the rest of the game!

~~Sally~~

[satansaloser2005]

I can't decide
Whether you should live or die
Oh, you'll probably go to heaven
Please don't hang your head and cry
No wonder why
My heart feels dead inside
It's cold and hard and petrified
Lock the doors and close the blinds
We're going for a ride


Walk the plank, me hearties!



K, now I'm leaving.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

No posts in two hours? Rubbish.


Well, I'm off, not to return until after the game. I just wanted to leave a message.


Good night packmate(s#
Good night packmate#s#
Good night packmate#s)
Turn the village into tasty chow


*snickers, scurries off*


Farewell, everyone! Enjoy the rest of the game!



~~Sally~~

Ah, yes. Well, you'll not be around to enjoy the spoils of the mutineers, anyway. If they win out, that is. I'm still hopeful we've gotten at least two of them. I think the odds are for it in any case.
Fellow innocents, I submit that it may be dangerous to focus too closely on anyone at this point, if it means someone else can lurk in the shadows unnoticed.
And is Mac too obvious a choice? Perhaps exhibiting Cobbler behaviour? It seems he's taken most of the attention for quite a while now but managed to avoid both lynching and night-killing.
I'm not advising anyone not to vote for him necessarily, I just think that's something to keep in mind.

[McCaber]

Wow. I'd say sally is definitely a wolf, simply because that's the exact sort of thing she's done many times. And there's too many other potential cobblers for a sally-cobber to reveal now.

But it means we got at least one of them.

[Thinlómien]

I can't be around much but I have one post to make - I owe you all an apology and an explanation. I'm sorry I got myself lynched for I was the ranger. (Why reveal now, well, what kind of a living ranger would not have revealed yesterDay? And I want to make sure there are no more false reveals.) I was just so darn stupid, I knew Mac was trying to flush me out so I couldn't just give up and give him what he wants - but I should have done that when I got the two votes. (You know, when I was trying to sleep after staying awake so long, I had a few lines from the song Hellfire from Disney's The Hunchback of Notre Dame stuck in my head: "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa" and "it's not my fault, but in God's plan, he made the devil so much stronger than a man".)

Anyway, you can now finally stop wondering at my behaviour - you know why Mac's "reveal" didn't make me falter, you know why I had to stay awake all night. (Yes, I'm stupid, I decided already very early I have to stay awake as long as possible so that I can counter when Mac makes a ranger reveal - I knew he was going to do it at some phase - and then I didn't do it even when it would have been necessary, not that people would necessarily have believed me anyway... But I was so darn stupid, argh, it's going to take months or Nerwen's proven cobblerism that I can forgive myself, I let pride go before common sense, I didn't want Mac to flush me out and I was so sure I'd finally make a save next Night if I was allowed to live... Well, I learned a lesson there.)

Why was I so aggressive about Mac? Well I was and am really certain of his guilt, it looks evident. But like I told Boro yesterDay, I did not let my occasional swings of uncertainity show, I just kept trusting my general impression and attacking him recklessly - I figured after a while that it'd keep me alive because the mutineers would never ever expect a ranger to be so reckless and they wouldn't kill me if I was right about Mac. So it was all well until yesterDay's disaster.

And because you probably want to know, even though it doesn't matter, my picks were Mira, Nerwen, Rikae (holy cow she threatened to take me with her so I had to protect her even though I thought she was probably lying and that the mutineers may avoid her because of the possible protection, I just couldn't take the risk - I wish I had followed the no riks tactic later on too), Kath (I think, I'm not sure to be honest, I might have protected Mith or Nerwen too, but I think it was Kath) and Boro (I was so sure it's going to be me that Night, or possibly him, but no one else for certain - well I was thinking Zil is a mutineer ).

So maybe knowing this, you can also judge Mac better. I say we lynch him, and Shasta next, the way he acted yesterDay was definitely NOT innocent. I advice looking at everybody's reactions yesterDay, it will probably help a lot.

I'm not sure we can win this anymore, there being probably 2 wolves and 2 cobblers around, but we can try, and that starts with lynching Mac.

++Macalaure

Goodbye. You managed to get the ranger lynched, hats off to that, but otherwise you were a crappy mutineer because you were so obvious.

[Eönwë]

Ok, well there's 2 main scenarios:

1. They lynched/killed the two people that were going after Mac(The rest that were there seemed to be believing his claim, or voting Lommy at least, in the case of Izzy). The obvious next step for them is to lynch me (Mac's already started a case against me) and then Night-kill Mith, who's voted for Mac.

2. It's all a huge Mac-framing.


However, scenario 2 seems unlikely because they're risking a save, and that's not good this late in the game.

What I think is really happening is that we have at least 2 wolves alive, I'm guessing 3. Now they've gone all out on the Mac-lynchers. I think Mac was being prophetic when he said:

Give me another day and another protection, of course.

He knows that he's not going to be lynched in the Night, which makes him seem to be either (more likely) a mutineer, or (possibly) a co-conspirator that's somehow managed to communicate his ploy to the mutineers.
Now, because of this, I think that really what's happening is that the wolves only need one Day to finish us off. We are 7. If they are 3, they only need one misguided lynch toDay to see them win. The Night is irrelevant. Mac, it seems to me, was just fighting to stay alive so that he and the other 2 mutineers can sway the lynch. Izzy seems to be the cobbler (though she could actually be an innocent in disguise- so the wolves think that she's a cobbler, but really she's helping us, or a wolf, but that's risky and therefore unlikely), and so they only need her to vote for their choice. That way they can force a lynch through.

That is the reason that they lynched and killed the anti-Macs. Everyone else seems either slightly suspicious or hasn't voted for Mac (With the exception of Mith, but she's just mysterious), and so would be "misguided"(in their eyes) or possible lynch-fodder for toDay, which they could even suck the "misguided" ones into.


We must lynch Mac before it's too late:

++Macalaure

edit: x-ed with second Sally and Inzil

[Eönwë]

2 possible variations on the main scenario:

Another possible option is that there are 2 of them left, which makes them have to sway toMorrow's vote as well, but if they kill a suspicious ordo then cobbler-Izzy can help them.

Or (this is with 3 again) maybe Mac is a huge set-up, and he is the ranger, and the wolves know we'll vote him toDay, dooming us all. Or if they have 2, they can lynch Mac toDay and use Izzy-cobbler to force another lynch toMorrow.


Lucky I still have my retraction...

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Lucky I still have my retraction...

I say this, however, unless there are amazing amounts of evidence against Mac being a wolf, I will stick with my vote. I can't believe he managed to get himself out of it yesterDay!

[Boromir88]

You must pardon my inactivity, with the tense situations and dreadfully tough decisions for over a week now, it feels good to have the pressure off, and I would simply like to retire with me fellow ghosties, whilst I wait for the end and me spirit can finally rest.

Mith, you should really be trusting Lommy, that is one of the reasons I didn't retract my vote in the end...the other well based on pretty much what he said with regards to Kath, I didn't think he was the Ranger. And well apparently he's not, so now why would an innocent Mac make a Ranger claim.

Since Mith defended me long long time ago, on page 6 or something in the Cap'ns log against Annu. I shall now offer what I can on her and return the favor. I doubt she be a mutineer, or cus I doubt she would have said anything in my defense at all, she either would have just ignored it and enjoyed the suspicion, or prodded more my way. However, eventually I expect Mith as a wolf to change that up, throw me for a loop one of these days, but nothing else fits her being a wolf. She's right, especially with that no-kill, she would have gone through great lengths to make sure a kill got in. Even if her other partners were gone, if there was a communication slip up she would have taken it upon herself to get in a kill. How do I know? Because as fellow wolves before when there was a day with a severe lack of communication (myself and Nerwen were unable to be around) that's exactly what she did.

With her Gwath vote I thought co-conspirator, because of the entire "I'm lost about Mac, so let me vote Gwath." But the thought quickly vanished, because she's got a point about Gwath not being mod-fired, and I can see why anyone would be confused by the Mac and Lommy situation the last couple days.

The reason I stuck with Lommy, was simply because of prior days I determined she was innocent, and even though her zeal was something entirely new, and I've never seen before, that innocent reaction didn't change. Of course when Mac said he was the Ranger, I began sweating thinking I had the entire situation wrong, but based on what I read from Mac's posts, his Ranger claim just didn't make sense (and well Mac's not disputing that!)

Long story short, I trust Mith's innocent.

I began thinking like Inziladun and wondering if Mac is actually a cobbler who is now sacrificing himself and thus helping out whoever remains as mutineers. This is because his defense today looks pretty lackluster, in that he's accepted his fate and now as the..."Well I'm an ordo, I just said I was the Ranger, because I know Lommy's a mutineer...and it's worth the real risk if the real Ranger actually did reveal." I mean that type of defense, to say if the Ranger revealed, "oh well, I know we got a mutineer" should leave no one with doubts about Mac's role.

When I can be back, I will explain actually while Mac's presented a rather lackluster defense for himself (thus appearing perhaps cobblerish), it's been a pretty strong defense because of the creativity. I will explain that when I have the time, but you (meaning the innocents left who can vote) should consider that maybe a mutineer Mac is putting on a cobbler mask to dissuade people from lynching him, as do we really want a cobbler at this point in the game? But actually, it's a creative defense for himself, and I will tell you why when I can be back.

After that, well I don't feel like I have many other good ideas, and feel my contract with our devil Cap'n should come to an end.

You mom have mercy on your soul.~Mac

I knew I was walking straight into one of those as soon as I protested.

Edit: crossed with a bunch...'Tis ok Lommy, I'm quite glad to see this side of you. Even if it got you into trouble, that is typically how I find myself in trouble.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I began thinking like Inziladun and wondering if Mac is actually a cobbler who is now sacrificing himself and thus helping out whoever remains as mutineers. This is because his defense today looks pretty lackluster, in that he's accepted his fate and now as the..."Well I'm an ordo, I just said I was the Ranger, because I know Lommy's a mutineer...and it's worth the real risk if the real Ranger actually did reveal." I mean that type of defense, to say if the Ranger revealed, "oh well, I know we got a mutineer" should leave no one with doubts about Mac's role.

Problem is, unless there's a convincing case against someone else, I'm not sure if the innocents can take the chance of leaving him alive. But maybe that's the plan....