WW LX - Mortal Men, doomed to die

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I just hate that everyone's accusing Sally out of hand and not even considering the fact that she could be innocent when there is in fact an alternate explanation.

O my beloved, the fact is that I asked you for this "alternative explanation" in the post you quote... and it seems not to be forthcoming.

Do tell me what it is, my darling.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Pearl of my heart, I suppose I haven't stated it in so many words, but it's quite apparent if you read between the lines of what I've been saying. I suppose I could have been remiss in that fact.

Put simply, my darling, it's that an innocent-Sally had a pressing reason to claim Seer when Nogrod is a much better candidate, and the same reason for accusing Lhuna so. As for that reason, you would have to ask Sally.

I will say that the longer Sally withholds this reason, the more inclined I am to side with the majority...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Put simply, my darling, it's that an innocent-Sally had a pressing reason to claim Seer when Nogrod is a much better candidate, and the same reason for accusing Lhuna so. As for that reason, you would have to ask Sally.

But, light of my life, what– other than her indeed being the real Seer– could this possibly be? And yet you say you believe Nogrod.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But, light of my life, what– other than her indeed being the real Seer– could this possibly be? And yet you say you believe Nogrod.

Beloved one, I must confess all manner of ideas have passed through my head. Perhaps Sally is a secret role. Perhaps Sally's attempting to be helpful. Perhaps Lhuna-wraith mis-sent a PM. I really can't fathom her reasoning. I simply wish not to exclude alternative explanations out of hand.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

"If we make it wrong toDay - and if the ranger misses the next Night - it will be 5-3 toMorrow and the sheer voting-power of the ringwraiths will carry it as we probably can't hold our ranks as innocents as we don't know the situation unlike they do."

The thing that does not make sense in all the scenarios is why you where left alive. . . If Sally is a wolf, it seems like a very bad strategy not to kill you and then make a seer claim her self. If they had just killed you one of the nights Sally would live, but by making this claim she is sure to die.

There is also the possebility that Sally is the seer and deliberatly chose to give wrong information about Nogrod. so that the wraith would think her an ordo. That way she could get 1 wraith lynched (Lhuna) and one more dream before revealing that Nogrod was a baddie.

You see. . .no possible explenation makes sense. No matter which one we chose it will involve what seems as poor tactics from the wolves or weird choises made by the seer.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

There is also the possebility that Sally is the seer and deliberatly chose to give wrong information about Nogrod. so that the wraith would think her an ordo. That way she could get 1 wraith lynched (Lhuna) and one more dream before revealing that Nogrod was a baddie.

That's suicidal, plus it carries a tremendous risk of leaving a Nogwraith as a "known innocent", thus dooming the village.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

see. . .no possible explenation makes sense. No matter which one we chose it will involve what seems as poor tactics from the wolves or weird choises made by the seer.

Indeed. But, as I said, I don't see how we can not lynch her now.

My guess at the moment is that Sally-wraith simply acted on impulse at the start of the Day, and hadn't thought things through properly.

[Nienna]

As I mentioned before I'm going to be away for the rest of toDay so I will vote way early.

++Sally

She has been acting all weird... which might just be her normal playing style but it still rubbed me the wrong way. She is also being very criptic. I also think that we would learn the most from her death.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Beloved one, I must confess all manner of ideas have passed through my head. Perhaps Sally is a secret role.

...Secret cobbler? Village Suicide?

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Perhaps Sally's attempting to be helpful.

My treasure, the reasons why her actions are anything but helpful have already been stated several times.

The point is, if Sally were an ordo trying some weird ploy (whether to save the Seer, or to test Lhuna like Kent did with Nilp last game, or whatever) she would surely have backed down by now.

And if she's the real Seer, and Nogrod an ordo, he would have backed down.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Lhuna-wraith mis-sent a PM.

Then Sally ought to have dropped out of the game.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

really can't fathom her reasoning. I simply wish not to exclude alternative explanations out of hand.

Of course, of course... but the real question is: can we afford not to lynch her now?

EDIT: X'd with Rune.