T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Beregond]

Well, if you're offering, I'd love a root beer. Root beer is good for thinking!

So, Lariren, just to make conversation, are you in shock from this morning, or have you been consorting with those of an unsavory nature? I hear wights have some kind of dark breath...could shock anyone.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Tauruses are stubborn and typically head-in-the-mud. Nothing I can tell you about my time-honored, tried-and-true tested way of reading the stars will change your mind about me, so I'm afraid I'll have to have a better reason to act as your enabler.

I'm a Taurus, and, well, you're right about that - I am stubborn and not likely to believe you.

However, Shasta, I'll offer you a root beer, and I'll shoe your horse for free, if you want to read the stars for me.


EDIT: x'd with Mirandir, Lariren.

Well, I'm too slow and missed out on root beer. So, Mirandir, this is the first time you've been in the village during a crisis? Me too. I don't know who to disbelieve! Or maybe I do, and don't want them to know...

And I'm disappointed no one suspects me yet. Am I not sinister enough? I have access to swords, even if they aren't very good...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm a Leo.

If I remember correctly, that means that I love to be the center of everybody's attention.

I happen to think it simply means that I have a profound personal identification with cats...

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Beregond

So, Lariren, just to make conversation, are you in shock from this morning, or have you been consorting with those of an unsavory nature? I hear wights have some kind of dark breath...could shock anyone.

The only unsavory people I've consorted with recently have been those who have not know when they have had too much ale. Luckily I've learned how to protect myself in those situations. Cold water helps.

And I do have a root beer for you right here.

Off to another class!

[Nogrod]

Sorry to come in this late but I actually had a 14-hour workday today and have basically just come home and eaten the first time today (10PM). I'll be reading next and come back then.

So it seems I'm not able to stand behind my promise to post only once on Day1 but I'll try to keep my posting in two posts toDay.

Let's see if I can meet that goal...

[Gollum the Great]

I'm back and reading.

[Aganzir]

So I am planning to vote in an hour or two because it is very unlikely I want to get up earlier just to play.

I will not vote for Beregond or Mirandir today because they are new. However Lari is not protected by newbieness anymore.

Originally Posted by Beregond

But wouldn't a wraith want to stay out of the sunlight, so to speak?

Well not necessarily. Being too quiet makes people suspicious, and sometimes submarines are lynched in lack of better suspects just to get rid of dead weight.

Originally Posted by Beregond

I have a feeling Brinn could be something other than she seems - she was the first to really encourage proper discussion and then she left, almost to deflect suspicion and avoid notice all in one.

I think she said she was going to sleep. While it is nice if the person who has encouraged proper talk instead of banter does it xemself, Brinn's reason for not doing it was understandable.

Originally Posted by Fea

She just seems to enthusiastic, and I tend to find that the more enthusiastic players on day one usually have a special role.

I can hardly see how bantering actively makes her too enthusiastic.

It's good, though, if you say aloud what you find suspicious.

edit: xed with Gol & Mira

[Beregond]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I will not vote for Beregond or Mirandir today because they are new. However Lari is not protected by newbieness anymore. ...

...I think she said she was going to sleep. While it is nice if the person who has encouraged proper talk instead of banter does it xemself, Brinn's reason for not doing it was understandable....

...It's good, though, if you say aloud what you find suspicious.

Thanks, I didn't know we were subject to newbie protection!

I know I'm throwing out things that may or may not hold any weight, but on day one, what else do we have to go on? I don't expect anyone to take me seriously yet anyway.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

Socialism! *Is scared out of mind*

Well interesting as the topic is, maybe we'd better cut it. After all, politics shouldn't be discussed on the Downs.

Originally Posted by Beregond

Thanks, I didn't know we were subject to newbie protection!

It's generally considered fair that newbies get a chance to play a bit longer than one day. It doesn't apply to everything, though - if you do something outrageously suspicious, you might get lynched very quickly.

[Beregond]

Sure, that's only fair. It would take a few days to learn how things work, anyway.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Beregond

Thanks, I didn't know we were subject to newbie protection!
I know I'm throwing out things that may or may not hold any weight, but on day one, what else do we have to go on?

Adding the two up reads basically "do your best". Many will be scared the living daylights out of them because of a possible ill-adviced voting on Day1 but you can actually rest assured you're not lynched because of trying to actually do something...

Into the bussiness then.

About Frodo. I think that Frodo should actually do the decent thing and reveal himself if he felt he was in danger of being killed by Night. That way we could lynch him and prevent the birth of a fourth ringwraith. When Frodo is in danger great enough to reveal should surely rest on the ringbearer him(her)self; we others should not push him but should point that out.

Looking at the Frodo-issue from this angle as I am I'm quite baffled about this post by Agan I ran into:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

The thing is, I'm not sure if Mr. Baggins wants to do that * . If I was him I'd certainly try to get myself killed and become a wolf

*"to do that" = trying to stay hidden from the wraiths (suggested tactics for Frodo by Legate)

Now are you calling for the ringwraiths whom you actually want to join Aganzir?


About Ferny. I suggest we cut off the speculation about that old scrooge for Day1. Let's not help him. The less we speculate about him, the more he has to do himself.

The same goes with Dury's ranger impersonation. Let the wolves chew it for the time being. We should bother ourselves with it only later if it looks like it.


About the banter. Banter is always fun and belongs to the game. But surely people could also add some actual stuff (or was it called "suttf" in this one?) to their banter. Just joking is playing it safe which means either trying to look like an active poster but hiding your fangs or then being a cowardish villager who only thinks for her/himself. Both kind of persons should be gotten rid of sooner rather than later as both will be harmful to us - especially late in the game.

*Free weed to everyone! Except the tanner of course... You will profit due to these crises anyway, don't you? *


Bah, there went my dream of two posts on Day1 but I really can't vote yet. I'll be back a little later with a vote. (I'm not waking up that early to vote on the only day this week I can sleep up to 9AM)

EDIT: X'd with a host of posts...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now are you calling for the ringwraiths whom you actually want to join Aganzir?

I on the other hand am baffled you found it weird. I found it rather optimistic from Legate to think that the RB would want to stay low. It's dangerous to assume xe would want to remain innocent, what with the role xe was given, and to me it just didn't make sense that Legate was suggesting it. I think it also included a suggestion that possible RB hints could be ignored because "xe would not want the wolves to find xem." Not sure this is making sense, I realised I don't remember my exact thought process about it anymore.

And Noggy I wouldn't take weed even if you offered it to me! I am not into smoking you know.

Fea, I know how much you like day ones. However I will probably always disagree with you on them and keep questioning your reasons for a vote.

edit: xed with Lommy

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I can hardly see how bantering actively makes her too enthusiastic.

It's good, though, if you say aloud what you find suspicious.

Well, as it's the first day and I have had no dreams that I wish to lay carefully before you, and I've got no evil plans I'd like to implement, I need somebody to suspect.

Innocents on Day One atypically have anybody to gun for based on actual evidence, so I figured I should come up with some sort of guideline to slim down the pool of possible people for me to latch onto immediately. Usually on the first day I pick at total random because I have nothing better to go on yet. This time I decided that 'enthusiasm = reason for enthusiasm' seemed like a pretty fair thing to go on.

Thus my otherwise random suspicion (since I have nothing solid to go on).

Strangely, I actually just had a dream (this isn't a clue) about Sally. I was just napping, thus dreaming, and we lived in this three story dorm type building, except the elevator was hidden behind a shower, and the third floor had a spare bed half way up a random staircase that was in my room. Sally was living there, in this strange little not-really-third-floor balcony on the stairs that didn't go anywhere else, for all that they continued past where she was hanging out.

Strange, no?

Originally Posted by Gollum

Remember me in Di's game, using "newbieness" as a cloak for for my evil? I hope there isn't a repetition of that here.

Yes, and I encouraged Lari to use it last game, and it worked beautifully. So while new players get a basic get-out-of-jail-free card, it's also common knowledge that a newbie wolf will take advantage.

So don't try to take advantage if you're a wraith, because we'll catch you. K?

Originally Posted by Nog

you can actually rest assured you're not lynched because of trying to actually do something...

Unless you're Nog, in which case you'll be killed Day One no matter what you do.

You quts are making me smile with your banter.

Just so you know.

[Rikae]

Shasta, you're an Aquarius, correct?

Even showing up as late as I did, I almost had the opportunity to make my point about Mr. Underhill before anyone else, but then Nog had to go and mess it up for me. Eh. Revealing may be the best thing Frodo can do for the village. If we know who he is, as soon as a kill is missed (Frodo is changed) we can lynch him. Also, there is no incentive for a baddie to falsely reveal as Frodo, since changing the real Frodo will get the false Frodo lynched. Maybe he could serve as a known innocent of sorts? Nevertheless, it's up to the ringbearer.

On the other hand, if Bill Ferny doesn't count as a baddie in the head count, he is really no more powerful than a cobbler who has the ability to clue the wolves in to his own identity. This gives us some hope of catching him, as well as the wolves, since, knowing no more than any ordinary villager, the most he can realistically do is use daytime hints in addition to his nighttime messages to help the wolves find him.

By the way, I'm a Pisces (a real one).

EDIT: X'd with the whole page and God only knows what else. By the way, I'm a fan of the gender-neutral pronouns, myself, but since we have a built-in gender for our gifted characters in this game, I went with that.

[Gollum the Great]

Narrowing down those to vote for...

Beregond and Mirandir get the newbie's prize. No vote for either today.

Meneltarmacil: I've only played one game with him, and that one not very actively. So he stays for now.

Durelin: See Menel, only no games.

Nogrod and Legate: their advice will be of use, assuming they're not wraiths. They stay- for now.

[Beregond]

I go away for an hour and I feel so behind! Posts come in faster than I can read (literally)! Does this mean I can't go to bed tonight? I won't be able to post as much in days to come...today is unusual in that I haven't been very productive, so I have time to WW.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Gondy? I like that. Or maybe Gondie?

Gondy? Not bad! I prefer it over Gondie though - Gondy is more masculine. Just don't call me Ghandi - too much to live up to.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate

Now this is interesting when I consider what I just thought of Fea (associating? The question is, if you - as a Wraith - would be able to discern Fea as Informer just from what she said before, mainly, since you claim you crossed with that last post of hers, which made me suspect her).

I'd love to be so sharp (but I wouldn't love to be a wraith, thank you). The thing with her is that she mostly felt like innocent Fea in her first post, in the second one less so but not suspicious either. And I must add she always talks about dreams and confuses people with her manner, whatever her role.

I should go to sleep now. And I should vote. The problem is that there's no one who'd strike me as particularily wolvish.

And thanks to Rune I have a certain very silly song stuck in my head.


edit: xed with Salt and Agony

[Thinlómien]

I forgot this:

Originally Posted by Legate

If I were to try to define it, you are posting here and there "joking" bits, which can't be even serious, like this:

I don't seriously get why Nog wants to be so quiet. I find it weird. But I also find it amusing and a good topic of making fun of.

Mac gives me headache.

edit: xed with Menel
edit2: and Mira

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Beregond

Well, I'm too slow and missed out on root beer. So, Mirandir, this is the first time you've been in the village during a crisis? Me too. I don't know who to disbelieve! Or maybe I do, and don't want them to know...

It is indeed the first time I've been in the village during a crisis...I heard about a certain tragedy in an opera house from Fea and Lariren not that long ago though.

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

There you go, though I'm not entirely sure you should be having any, you look young.

Looks can be deceiving, my dear.

[Beregond]

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Looks can be deceiving, my dear.

Ah ha! So YOU'RE a wraith! Because you don't look like one.

Thank you for the root beer, Lariren, much appreciated!

[A Little Green]

Huh. I tried to access the Downs some five and a half hours ago but failed. I'm here only now and must vote soon since I need to go to sleep. What bothers me (easy to say of course, having been absent myself) is the lack of actual discussion. Yeah, Day 1, I know, but still. Nearly two pages of stuff (suttf?) and hardly anything to comment on. Bah.

The problem is I have no idea who I can vote, or even on what grounds should I vote since there just isn't enough material to base any opinions on. I even have no gut feelings, which is a bit alarming in itself.

Like Agan, I will certainly not vote a first-timer out on a Day like this when I have as vague opinions on everyone. I will also not vote anyone who has attempted some actual game discussion toDay. I will not vote anyone who hasn't appeared yet since that's plain evil because I have no way of knowing how that particular person behaves in this game.

Now that I've complained and whined enough, I can start thinking. I'll let Lommins in soon, but I could do with some discussion before that. Is there anyone around?


EDIT: Evidently. x-ed since Beregond's 62 (Are there any nicknames for you, by the way? Beregond is waaaay too long! )

[A Little Green]

Just thinking... Is the ring-bearer's role (I first wrote "rule") revealed if s/he gets lynched? Was there a mention of that in the rules?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

The Ringbearer will be their prime target and we cant spend valuable time chit-chatting

Hmm well I think it'd make more sense if they tried to kill Barliman first as xe is rather dangerous for the Ring-bearer, having a chance to tell xer identity to the ranger. However this is useless speculation.

Originally Posted by Golly

Remember me in Di's game, using "newbieness" as a cloak for for my evil?

It didn't keep me from suspecting you.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I will not vote anyone who hasn't appeared yet since that's plain evil

Hmm I could actually vote for Gwath. He would at least deserve it.

edit: xed with Greeny & Gondy. I'd believe Frodo's role is revealed once xe is lynched. After all xe knows it xemself and the seer can see it when dreaming (unlike Ferny's).

[Gollum the Great]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Hmm well I think it'd make more sense if they tried to kill Barliman first as xe is rather dangerous for the Ring-bearer, having a chance to tell xer identity to the ranger. However this is useless speculation.


It didn't keep me from suspecting you.

*Hides in cellar* I remember that, all right.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Agan

edit: xed with Greeny & Gondy. I'd believe Frodo's role is revealed once xe is lynched. After all xe knows it xemself and the seer can see it when dreaming (unlike Ferny's).

Gondy? I like that. Or maybe Gondie? Anyway, that Frodo-thingy makes good sense - except that those xe/xemself things keep confusing me. Suppose I'll get used to them in a while...

Originally Posted by Gondie

How can we find and protect the Ringbearer? Or should we eliminate the Ringbearer to remove the threat? Do we even want to discover the Ringbearer, or should that person stay hidden from all?

To be honest I have no idea - never played with a guy like that before, whatever the role is called (cursed something?) - but it would sound ideal if no one discovered the identity of our ringbearer. After all, if we find and lynch him/her, we'll be down one innocent regardless of the fact that the particular innocent could have been converted to some nasssty creature. We should probably not use our energy on hunting the ringbearer but instead on hunting the wraiths.


EDIT: x-ed with Agan, Gollum and Gondie

[Gollum the Great]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

We should probably not use our energy on hunting the ringbearer but instead on hunting the wraiths.

Someone's got the right idea.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Beregond

Does Ferny have any powers as an informant, or is xe only special because he can contact the wraiths, indirectly?

Nope I don't think so. Xe can only tell the wraiths who xe thinks they should kill.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

xcept that those xe/xemself things keep confusing me. Suppose I'll get used to them in a while...

Tgwbs started using them in last game. (And now that I googled the link, I noticed I've been using them incorrectly lately, too. It's xyr, not xer.)

I'm reading through the thread and trying to come up with opinions on people.

edit: xed with Noggy-Nogz

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Beregond

Ah ha! So YOU'RE a wraith! Because you don't look like one.

Heh, yup! You got me.

I must be off to work but we do have wireless access here so I shall be checking in periodically.

[Aganzir]

Bah I had not even noticed this comment earlier.

Originally Posted by Legz

Police state? You are being suspiciously eager, comrade. I suggest we place you to the workcamp in Fornost for a while, to see what happens.

No, I'm just saying we could do with a couple of voluntary extra seers!

Guilty

Innocent
Nerwen. Nothing alarming thus far. Besides it's ages since she last played. No chance I'm lynching her today, especially as she can be quite helpful. Also, a village always needs people with an ability to make ploys.
Lommy. She's being mostly sensible and while I'm not convinced about her innocence yet, I'd like to keep her around for now.
Legz. Looks innocent enough.
Gondie. Innocent enough for now.
Nog. Being a normal Nog. Not too worried about him, and it'd be terribly unfair to lynch him now as he's died so early lately.

Neither
Gollum. Nothing suspicious thus far, but not much useful thus far, either.
sally. The same as Golly.
Shasta. The same as the two former but funnier.
Dury. She's amusing me but apart from that, nothing to go on. I don't think I'll vote for her, though.
Brinn. Too little to go on.
Fea. She doesn't have a role on day 1. I disagree with her about day 1s.
Lari. No idea.
Mira. No idea. Actually it's funny I've started calling you two Lari and Mira as both are common Finnish names, Lari a male's name and Mira a female's.
Greeny. Simply no idea.
*
Rikae
Mac
Rune
Menel

Oh Gwath wasn't playing then.

See I was planning to go to sleep soon and have no idea who to vote. I could of course vote randomly and try to wake up a bit earlier but dunno if I'm capable of that.

edit: xed with two little greens