Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[the phantom]

I see Rune showed up late and has started campaigning to be a Rep. Naturally we should kill him for it.

And after reading more from Boro, I've decided to consider him innocent for exactly two days. Just because.

Green creeps me out a little, but maybe it has nothing to do with this game.

Aganzir... she's either playing well as a WW or she's innocent. So I'd like to give her a pass for today.

Originally Posted by morm

sticking out most on my radar are the phantom becuase of his silliness. I've NEVER seen him like this.

We can't all be grumpy like you, no matter how hard we try.

But seriously, I'm just feeling a little carefree is all. It's Day 1, and when it's over there will be so much to look at and examine! And guess what? I'm off of work tomorrow and Friday, and so I'll be able to examine until my eyes fall out!

Because of this I figure I'll try and not be too serious this first day and just thrash around a bit and then when it's all done I can put the thinking cap on and look things over.

If it would make you feel better I could start being insulting.

Jerk.

(to be continued)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, just to let you know, I am here (for already some time) and now I am at the end of page 7, resp. the beginning of page 8. Try not to post too much and I should eventually be able to post here... hopefully soon.

[the phantom]

Ah, so Gil is here. He usually figures out who the WWs are, but he also tends to get himself lynched. Careful laddie. You sit well with me right now due to your location. Strong Bad is awesome.

The Shasta-Gil exchange made me laugh. That's enough for me to keep Shasta around despite not trusting him yet.

Originally Posted by me

*sigh*

Let's get this over with.

++Legate for Rep

Originally Posted by Gwath

This hardly seems to be the attitude of logic and confidence regarding your vote that you presented in post #324. Which one is the reality?

Excellent question. The explanation of post #324 is quite accurate. But note that the logic of picking Legate is due to the fact that he is the one that is left after I rule others out, and also because he voted for me.

In other words, it doesn't stem from trust or anything of the sort, and so I picked him as my Rep because he simply had to be picked- not because of any strong desire to select him.

That attitude comes out in my selection post. The "sigh" is basically saying, "I'm not allowed to pick the only person I trust (me), and really my choice is already made for me, and I have no clue if this is good or bad, but it needs to be done anyway. Oh well. I hope things turn out well."

Yeah, I know- that's an extremely meaningful sigh, isn't it?

[the phantom]

I won't pull a Legate 180.

Originally Posted by Eonwe

A new Downerism has been born!

I was going to say that!

In the future, if someone reverses their stance, it will be "Doing a Legate". Ha ha ha!

Hmm... What's something that I can do to turn my name into something cool like that?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Hmm... What's something that I can do to turn my name into something cool like that?

Hear ye, hear ye! The act of "filibustering" shalll henceforth be known as "doing a Phantom"!

[the phantom]

By the way, does anyone have a voting summary, including a list of those that did not vote?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Hear ye, hear ye! The act of "filibustering" shalll henceforth be known as "doing a Phantom"!

*cries*
My life now has meaning! I have something named after me.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Agan

You could for example deliberately help the wolves to win... Just an idea.

Not in this game of course.

I already promised I'd help you.

But why must I wait. Who knows when you'll be a WW again.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I already promised I'd help you.

But why must I wait. Who knows when you'll be a WW again.

Maybe you should put some pressure on the mods?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Hmm... What's something that I can do to turn my name into something cool like that?

You could for example deliberately help the wolves to win... Just an idea.

Not in this game of course.

[Boromir88]

I'm here and will read through what I've missed.

[mormegil]

I'm on post 336 and it seems that Lommy and Agan are going at it strongly. I find little merit in either arguement and feel that both are innocent. Lommy seems like Lommy, who generally exhibits behavior that I find suspicious and she is doing that right now which is innocent, if that makes sense. Lommy seems to find one or two targets and is convinced of herself to the point that she puts blinders on other possibilities. I think that is what she is doing here.

Agan, I just have the feeling of innocence and that her and Lommy are just at each others throats but really should shift focus elsewhere.

[mormegil]

Oh my... I had a few ideas that had made me wonder while I read through the thread earlier toDay but it seems they were ill-gotten. Like that I had a strong impression that after Lommy and I argued for the benefits of choosing a less known person as a representative there was a wave of points out of thin air made to suggest Ilya was also their choice for a rep but they just didn't act that way because she had been already elected. So they were basically going with the flow and trying to look like they thought similarly with the majority. I really had a kind of a parrot-feeling on that and that always sends the alarms ringing with me. But there was no such a large and unfounded thing to be found... except possibly Eonwë who posted a little after my vote.

He considered myself and Greenie as his representative and as a third option he gave...

I'm not sure if you get what I mean but that does look suspicious. Of all the people around here he picked the three of us (choosing Greenie btw.) but unlike myself or Lommy who had actually argued why Ilya should be chosen (or anyone whom we'd like to see more of and feel somewhat safe with) he just went with the flow with no explanation of why he thought she could be a good choice, like stating something obvious for a choice of a representative with the "Then there is...".

This made some sense to me and I think there is merit in this. I had to read it through twice to make sense of it but I could envision a wolf hanging out waiting for something like this and then slowing merging into the flow.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I was going to say that!

In the future, if someone reverses their stance, it will be "Doing a Legate". Ha ha ha!

Hmm... What's something that I can do to turn my name into something cool like that?

You can suddenly be humble and then we can all say that when humility strikes you just pulled a phantom

...jerk

Sorry I had to add that after him calling me a jerk.

[Brinniel]

Just checking in to say I'm finally here. But I've still got four pages to read. Thanks a lot guys.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm here too, but am also in the middle of rehearsal, so I'm reading, but not posting so much.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Boromir

I guess the question is, would it be a wise choice to lynch a representative?

Why wouldn't it? It makes at least as much sense as lynch a person that is not a representative. . . It is not like everybody have been trying to become a representative, infact they seem to have been elected quite at random, so there is no reason that a wolf should not be amongst them.

I have read most of what happened since I left, but I simply skipped some of Aganzir, Lommy and Legates posts. . . . It is too late for me to read through that massive posts.

[Nogrod]

I'm one of those who were a bit uneasy with Gwath's vote for me as a representative. The contraditory nature of that vote was clear indeed. And it could be looked from the devil's advocate viewpoint quite easily and deemed evil.

Like: "I know he tends to go after the submarines in the early Days so why not vote him to be a rep and say that the vote is for keeping an eye to the non-posters" - at the same time rubbing me the right way to make me choose someone else from the quiet-ones instead. So if he thought I was going after the more silent people anyway (and there was a good chance I was going to be voted as a rep anyhow looking at the posts before that point of the game) what would have been a better way to avoid my eye (well, it was a bad way if that was what was intended as I noticed it... a good try? )?

But I have to give Gwath credit for his question for tp. And I'm still a bit bothered about phantom's first Day "maybe I requested to be an ordo with my special relationship to Fea" -stuff. I don't think he would make that kind of thing his main defence. Not at all. He has much more brains than that. But what kind of worries me is that he slipped that in anyway. I mean jokes are jokes and playing it is playing it, but that looks more like a slip (not the freudian one but a slip when one has entertained possible defences and in the rush of gaming posts one that is not too good - and obviously those who need to think about this game via thinking possible defences in advance are the wolves...) than either of the former.

But yet again I seem to be reaching a dead end. It's too little to vote for tp - like what I was suspecting with Legate was too little to vote for him.

This is a crazy village! Why don't you just be nice and look a bit more suspicious?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

He always seems to be right (well not about me, but generally). Now people can just latch onto him if they think he's innocent and hope he still has his "psychic powers". Of course, this also allows WW to "latch onto him" and not look suspicious.

I think that's too simple. I'm not questioning Shasta's psychic powers but it's maybe a bit too much said that "he always seems to be right".
It looks as if you were trying to buddy up with him.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Well, he seemed to me a little cautious and not trying to get on anyone's bad side, as well as making points that seem good.

I'm not sure I agree - usually Nog's points are more or less good in spite of his role.

Originally Posted by the phantom

I think I've already used all of my credit with them buying myself invincibility. Yeah- if I'm lynched or targeted at night nothing happens. The Moddesses thought it might be unfair, but they agreed to it in the end because it was historic. And they were drunk.

Poor you. I can't think of any alternative but that you keep playing and hope I get to be a wolf some game.

edit: xed with Ilya & Eönwë. Call me elitist if you wish, but I include myself in the few ordos we can afford to lose. Fair enough.

[Aganzir]

Huh my Downs just stopped working for a while.

I'll go now, and Shasta & Brinn will vote for

++Lynch Legate

Because I couldn't decide between him and Eönwë and his way of posting annoys me more. This means that Eönwë has just been saved from receiving two votes and he could thank me by posting a detailed list of his suspicions tomorrow.

[Boromir88]

What case? Where?
It was a list. ~Agan

This frightens me; Agan in 276:

Guilty
Lommy. I know I tend to suspect her, especially on the first days. And to me she almost always seems overreactive and suspicious. But it happening always is not an excuse for me to put her in the Neither cathegory so she's happily here again.

Then you proceed to point out all the strange comments/things about Lommy.

Last time this struck a chord with me when Mac (too bad I never had the spine to vote for him) brought suspicions up about Brinn; Brinn referred to it as a "case," and Mac protested; trying to say Brinn over-reacted to a couple of his thoughtful musings. It was odd because the bottom-line is it was a "case" against Brinn. Mac was definitely stretching, but the reaction of "Woah, Brinn! I didn't make a case against you," was what stuck out. It was a case. Period. Mac said Brinn looked suspicious and proceeded to quote her several times to make his case.

Agan, you made a case against Lommy. Have the spine to admit it. You listed Lommy as guilty and have gone after her, that's a case. Don't try to play it off like you really didn't mean anything by quoting Lommy repeatedly, post after post, and play it off like Lommy is being over-defensive.

And now you're backing off, after a couple people say Lommy is looking genuinely frustrated (i.e. makes her look innocent)? Trying to seperate yourself from someone you wanted to get lynched?

Edit: crossed with everything since Agan's post 373

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And I'm still a bit bothered about phantom's first Day "maybe I requested to be an ordo with my special relationship to Fea" -stuff.

I already answered that.

Di is the one that dared to go into the realm of Moderator bias based upon RL circumstances. I merely countered by planting an alternative version. I agreed with whoever it was (Lommy I believe) that attempting to claim such a thing would be unsporting. That's why I worded it the way that I did.

I'm hoping that answers any doubts you have about it.

[Nogrod]

It's getting just too late once again... so I try to do this quickly.

I have underlined those I will not vote for either thinking them innocent-looking enough or to be too valuable to us if innocents as to lynch them on too weak grounds this early...

Aganzir - argues innocentishly
Boromir88 - looks and feels genuine thus far
Brinniel - looks and feels genuine thus far
Diamond18 - her wish to be a rep and the following inattention to the game speak for innocence although the latter doesn't speak well of her gamer-morale...
Eönwë - a hard one for me everytime I play with him: could go either way
Gil-Galad - the enigma who is more often innocent than not - and gets things right more often than has been granted the honour of
Greenie - the sneaky one, my daughter... I never figure her out and thence am afraid everytime
Gwathagor - could be a wolf, could not be...
Ilya - looks and feels genuine thus far
Legate - I'm a bit worries of that possible pre-planned action but not enough to vote him toDay
Lommy - feels innocentish
Kath - she's not suspecting me! there must be something wrong in there... or then not; I'm slightly persuaded to wait and see
McCaber - the ultimate submarine: manages to post without no one having a read on him
mormegil - I do not like his recurring points on tp being very different this time...
Nerwen - looks and feels genuine thus far, although I'd love to see her post more
Rune - the enthusiasm of getting to be a representative speaks on his behalf - and the general feeling I get is more that of an ordo
Sally - very hard nut to crack but maybe more innocentish because of the level of her light-heartedness (she was a bit more focused the last time she was a wolf)
Shasta - could be a wolf, could not be...
The Ka - she's always hard for me to read and I tend to suspect her more than not
the phantom - could be a wolf, could not be...

[Nogrod]

After adding Gil to my "not going to vote" -underlinings up there I realised there was a general flaw in there indeed.

So I'll just pick the rest (the not underlined) here and try to elaborate...

Those I have no grounds for voting at the moment...

Gil-Galad - the enigma who is more often innocent than not - and gets things right more often than has been granted the honour of
Greenie - the sneaky one, my daughter... I never figure her out and thence am afraid everytime
Sally - very hard nut to crack but maybe more innocentish because of the level of her light-heartedness (she was a bit more focused the last time she was a wolf)
The Ka - she's always hard for me to read and I tend to suspect her more than not

Which then leaves me with:

Eönwë - a hard one for me everytime I play with him: could go either way
Gwathagor - could be a wolf, could not be...
McCaber - the ultimate submarine: manages to post without no one having a read on him
mormegil - I do not like his recurring points on tp being very different this time...
Shasta - could be a wolf, could not be...

Hah, Gwath and morm... I'll promise this will not become a recurring trait that I will suspect the most those who vote for me as a representative...

I need to think of a balanced verdict between suspicion and my hope of getting some valuable input to the village if the one turns out innocent...

*calculating...*

[Nogrod]

I haven't even read all of your post yet Legate but this cries for spelling it out aloud...

If tp says that if you keep on making that Star Wars stuff he'll be backing you... what do you do? You keep on with it in a striking manner.

That looks suspicious indeed... I need to make the choice in something like fifteen minutes (1.30AM here, waking up call at 6.30) and you didn't make it easier.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

In the future, if someone reverses their stance, it will be "Doing a Legate". Ha ha ha!

I am honoured.

Eönwë's last post seems somewhat more genuine, however, one would except a wolf to retailate and be more careful if exposed...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I haven't even read all of your post yet Legate but this cries for spelling it out aloud...

If tp says that if you keep on making that Star Wars stuff he'll be backing you... what do you do? You keep on with it in a striking manner.

Well, if it calms you a little, I wrote that far earlier than I even got to the point where phantom says that... FAR before I got to that point. However anyway, yes, the post is somewhere full of nonsensish rant, you may skip it (SW, republic at one or two points later) and read the actual substance. But bear in mind that I simply could not not post to what's been said during half the Day here, and I said practically all I'd have said had I been here...

Okay, now off to check those Shasta-posts like I promised.

And, for reference, right now I am inclining to vote some Eönwë, most probably.

[mormegil]

Bah! I'm terribly sorry at how busy I've been. I feel fairly negligent and I'm sorry. I'm to the start of page nine and I've briefly skimmed the rest. So more impressions is that Agan seems very reasonable and this leads me to think she is innocent. Gil is back, what would a wolfish Gil act like? I doubt it is the case but I'm curious to see how he would behave...has he ever been one before? Shasta is a rapid fire poster, a lot of little things said but nothing overly profound, not that it's expected on Day 1 but when there are so many posts from one person it makes me take notice.

Lots of people are talking about Eonwe but honestly I haven't gotten a feel one way or another, I guess I've kind of ignored him in the mass of other posts.

Lommy and Legate...so help me if I see another novel of a post from either one of you I may string you up myself. Joking aside, Legate still seems off to me, it feels contrived.

The Phantom seems a bit more normal than earlier but that could mean anything. I still think him suspect because of the behavior changes I've seen.

Nog seems to suspect me for talking about phantom...odd he repeats this of me a few times and suspects me for doing something similar.

[Nogrod]

I need to go to sleep now.

I will vote for

++ Gwath

(I don't think these votes had to be made in red... wasn't it only the rep-votes? Okay, to be sure...)

++ Gwath

Because I think it is a plausible interpretation of Gwath's odd grounds for voting - and he knew what he was bargaining for... Why else would he have formulated his vote for me to be a rep in that way being himself obviously one of the group he wished me to target?

Also. Agan already voted for Legate and I can't be around to hear his answers. Giving him a two vote lead would be just a bit too risky if he's an innocent.

[Eönwë]

So I finally managed to finish reading all the posts.

Good Night, Republic!