Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[the phantom]

One minute Boro.

Brin- you didn't highlight!

EDIT: nevermind

[Brinniel]

Don't worry, it counts. I fixed it before you even posted.

[the phantom]

So, we have-

The Reps (votes):

Brinniel- (2)
Ilya- (2)
Nogrod- (2)
Boro- (2)
the phantom- (2)
Aganzir- (2)
Legate- (2)

[Boromir88]

That is correct, I'd love to stay and chat, but it's time for me to catch up on other work before I go to bed.

[the phantom]

One deadline down, one to go.

As for me- I have to be up well before the sun tomorrow, so I am going to bed! I'll check in briefly before taking off in the morning.

I should be around quite a lot between 1 PM EST and 7 PM EST. I'll be absent for a couple hours after that, but back well before the deadline.

If any of you Reps are going to have odd schedules, it would be good to know ahead of time.

[Boromir88]

I will be absent from for a good chunk of the morning and afternoon, but will be around from about 6 EST until the deadline.

[Ilya]

I won't be about until about 5 EST. But then I'll be around until the deadline.

[McCaber]

So I apologize for not voting. Schoolwork ambushed me two hours before DL-1.

I am confident in our Day 1 reps, though (as far as Day 1 confidence goes, that is). A good mix of talkers and ponderers.

(For the record, my vote probably would have been for Legate.)

[Thinlómien]

Alright. So our reps are Brinniel, Ilya, Nogrod, Boro, the phantom, Aganzir and Legate? Not bad. The one I voted got through and none of them (except possibly tp) strikes me as suspicious. Although, I'm still wondering whether I like the fact that a majority of the elected are loud, experienced players. (Yes it's me who's saying this...) I don't doubt their wit, but I only fear this will lead more and more to the village being divided in two parts - the loud expert elite and the less experienced or less loud ones. Also, someone talked about a charismatic wolf representative leading the village... I generally dislike that kind of talk, but I can't help thinking about that right. Well, whatever, I trust my own ability to stay critical...

Then, another thoght... voting someone as a rep is surely a great way of buddying up fellow villagers. That's why the Agan-Brinn and Legate-phantom "alliances" make me wonder... I mean, of course it's just natural too to reward trust with trust and one is subconsciously inclined to trust someone that trusts them and blah blah blah, but such vote exchanges are curious. I'm not sure what to think about them.

Originally Posted by Shasta

I think Lommy's right about a possible Boro-Phantom-Legate triangle, but to what purpose? Surely they're not all wolves... are they?

I'm right about what exactly? That they form a triangle of sorts? That much is pretty obvious...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sure you're right (whoever it was to point it out) that we should be careful not to vote for any clear clicks as our representatives - like even if I feel pretty good about Greenie at the moment I wouldn't like her to be a representative for us just because Brinn already is.

Well see the current rep situation and see for yourself... Agreed that it might be a bit dangerous- admittedly I was only looking at it in the suspiciousness perspective.

Morm makes me very uneasy. But I think that's just a reflex...

Originally Posted by Boro

Wolves will lay low, stay out of things to let innocents lynch innocents, or they will attempt to get rep votes by sounding reasonable? Which one is it Lommy?

Why do you ask? It should be obvious that different wolves probably employ different tactics. Also, it should be obvious I may come up with possible wolf tactics but I can't just name one they're most probably all going to use.
But now that you made me think about it, I think many wolves would be tempted just to lay low, because the reps will be questioned over their decisions over and over.... but by no means all the wolves - although the thought doesn't quite cheer me, I think it's even quite probable that one of our newly elected reps is a wolf.

Originally Posted by sally

If there's nothing by your name I think nothing of you. (Take that how you like heh. Kidding, kidding.)

And what if my name isn't on the list at all? *refrains from adding any kind of smiley because of the silly limit*

I will probably do a list to order my thoughts about people next...

PS. Now that tp is elected a rep, I feel inclined to vote against a filibuster...


edit: xed with McCaber

[Nerwen]

Sorry about lack of posting. My connection's been down... I have a lot of reading to do now/

[Thinlómien]

Alrighty then, here come my thoughts...

Aganzir - pretty silent, but RL hurries are RL hurries. She seemed to be rather tense, but she herself said she was not having a good day... so I won't judge anything either way yet. I'm looking forward to see what she's going to do as a rep...

Boromir88 - weird. Well, not him, but the fact that I don't get any vibes from him. Usually, I can pretty accurately tell by gut-feeling whether he's innocent or guilty, but this far I have no idea of him yet. I would very much dislike to see him lynched on Day1 - he contributes and I haven't played with him in ages.

Brinniel - seems innocent enough, although Agan and Greenie's great trust in her makes me raise my eyebrows. Also, her voting Agan for rep in turn is not something I'd like that much... I'll be watching her although she doesn't give many any bad vibes per se.

Diamond18 - that confidence baffles me. I'm not trying to say she's usually not confident, but she's simply not usually like that. I very much want to hear more of her.

Eönwë - seems like his normal self. I'm not worried (at least yet).

Gil-Galad - not here.

Greenie - a questionmark. She's a sneaky girl for sure and I cannot decide whether her vote for Brinn makes her look slightly suspicious or very innocent.

Gwathagor - has not posted enough for me to have an opinion on him.

Ilya - I voted her as a rep, and I'm quite happy with it. She seems innocentish and reasonable although I don't agree with her on everything.

Legate - I cannot say I like his 180 degree turn on tp, but I have to admit it looks very innocentish.

Kath - should I be worried if the only thing I recall of her is that she voted me for a rep? I hope we hear more of her soon...

McCaber - submarineering a little again. But maybe he'll talk now that he has returned.

mormegil - like I said, he makes me really uneasy. It's just a gut-feeling. And I know my bad gut-feelings of morm are not to be trusted. So I will refrain from lobbying for his lynch until I have a reasoning-based reason to suspect him...

Nerwen - I can't see why Legate thinks her suspicious. I think her first post was pretty fine, and she's infamous for messing up with Day1s and deadlines. I'm looking forward to see more of her, for sure.

Nogrod - seems sensible and innocentish. My only worry is that he seems almost too much so.

Rune - not here.

Sally - I don't know. I actually get a slightly worriesome feeling from her, but she was a lover last game and far more serious and careful than now... So I don't know.

Shasta - seems very innocent.

The Ka - I like her but I don't trust her. She seems a little non-commital ("I'm an observer, sorry, I won't post that much") and a little odd, too. She'll never earn my trust easily after that performance as an evil Radagast...

the phantom - *sigh* Last but not least? I don't know, I can't bring myself to trust him. He's too nonsense-y and throws in some points I don't quite like (like for example the one about requesting ordoness). Also, his vote for Legate kind of came pretty suddenly and was reataliatory, which troubles me... but actually it may make him look more innocent. I don't know. I'm sorry to say this but a dead phantom is the one I like the best because it's the only one that doesn't give me headache.

Well, somebody already said it, but I wouldn't be surprised either if it turned out that we have no wolves... but I'd like to murder Fea personally then because it would be terribly frustrating and kind of boring...


edit: xed with Nerwie

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Although, I'm still wondering whether I like the fact that a majority of the elected are loud, experienced players. (Yes it's me who's saying this...) I don't doubt their wit, but I only fear this will lead more and more to the village being divided in two parts - the loud expert elite and the less experienced or less loud ones.

And isn't that what was the purpose of this system? Let the experienced, the wise rule, to order all things for that good which only they can see. Now, those in power may work for the best of the village, not distracted by the random votes of the idle or irresponsible.[/end of Saruman's - crossed with Senator Palpatine's - elitarian speech]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Also, someone talked about a charismatic wolf representative leading the village... I generally dislike that kind of talk, but I can't help thinking about that right. Well, whatever, I trust my own ability to stay critical...

POWEEEEER!!! UN-LIMITED POWEEEEEER!!!!!!!!

Okay, now on more serious note, though (no, not fis-moll). After this short while, I could offer a list of people, repeatedly, with some updated information - that's probably the easiest and most productive thing to do rightaway, as I will be around for a while now, but from then on not until late in the Day.

Before it, though, one more thing: when it comes to the current representatives, I am pretty fine with the people and also with their numbers, and most of all, with the power of votes - nobody here has stronger vote, so that's good, I say. And among us, we may - hopefully - pick the choice which is best for the whole village. Gah, a pity I can't be around in the following hours to discuss. But in the evening (10 or so hours from now) I will.

Anyway, for now, the list I promised... coming in a next post (to check if I didn't x-post with any people).

Originally Posted by Lommy

Why do you ask? It should be obvious that different wolves probably employ different tactics. Also, it should be obvious I may come up with possible wolf tactics but I can't just name one they're most probably all going to use.

Why not? Although I am worried about one possible thing the wolves might do, but not sure if I should talk about it here, nevertheless, I believe the wolves could well think of that themselves. (I'll see yet if I am going to talk about it, but possibly later.)

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Also, someone talked about a charismatic wolf representative leading the village...

Now that is quite scary

Originally Posted by A Little Green

You guys should really really slow down. I've been reading the thread for a few hours...

Totally agree with you there. And its a few pages later now.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I agree that when playing werewolf one should contribute and post actual substance; nevertheless, I don't like the way people seem to think that flooding the thread with posts is the only right way to play and the closer you get to that the better you are. We can't all be phantoms or Nogrods, nor do we need to be. It's just alarming how this "loud, experienced veteran" type seems to be the "ideal" werewolf player who sort of must be respected just because of that status. No, I'm not saying "Don't respect experienced loudmouths". What I mean is that we should avoid only considering these kind of players as good players or players worth being a rep.

Yeah, the main idea of Werewolf does seem to be forgotten. The main aim (as I see it) is to catch the baddies without being caught yourself. And to have fun. Though being loud does have its advantages, and if you do post substantial posts then it is also very productive, not everyone has enough time. Not everyone is a phantom. Quiet people can still be helpful, and maybe some are quiet because they are thinking, rather than just posting anything that comes into their heard before it even has time to register and form links with other stuff. Once its posted, you tend to stop thinking about the subject (or at least I do) and it becomes frozen like that- set in stone. Then it is harder for your ideas to move, and if they do, you look suspicious. The quiet ones can often be the most sharp.

Lost my train of thought... (there was going to be another paragraph

So I'll end this post...

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I won't pull a Legate 180.

A new
Downerism has been born!

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'm not quite sure where you, or Shasta got that idea from. Shasta said he got it from Lommy, who originally pointed it out. But, if I recall all Lommy did was really point out the obvious. That us 3 were obviously interacting, but didn't inquire any further

A bit like a "Paper Telephone" round, eh

edit: fixed quote- not even bothering to see who I x-ed with.