Valar / Greek and Roman gods

[wispeight]

I find that my scope of ignorance expands in direct proportion to my increase in knowledge. Buddhism and that which is among the Pali and Sanskrit have probably been best at not corrupting through interpolations and omissions. Superstitio is a word originally meaning 'that which is added upon or to a thing'.

I would not say anything about any religion which might appear negative, as I believe that they all strive toward universal principles. I strongly suspect that there is at times, one Mother Religion, where a global accord exists on this point. Plato and the latter - and perhaps better - Neo-Platonists were very comprehensive as well. I simply believe that the doors close when great leaders of men express sefish aims. We are only beginning to recover from these closed doors. I think the doors began closing around the time of King Croesus and Agememnon. They definitely closed around 2nd century A.D. and the Dark Ages occurred shortly thereafter in Europe.

These fourteen Valars might represent seven forces and seven elements gradually becoming more ethereal as they ascend. Seperation is not so much a thing to focus on as is interpermeation. Our attractions in life and our inner state might represent an idea of what we might have to experience after or in between death and rebirth. But only to slough them off, or not requiring that depending on the individual. From the very tiny bit that I have learned in the past five years, I'm learning that maintaining an even temperment for the most part indicates I might be on the right path. I'm not saying extremes never have any role to play, I only think that it better not be self-centered selfish motivations.

I came to this site because I love the "Lord of the Rings" movies, and watch them everytime they come on tv. I haven't yet seen anyone mention their interpretation of 'Middle Earth' other than the hollow space in this planet. Please, I don't want to hear about the earth being hollow. Perhaps I should start a thread concerning that very question, but then I'd have to oversee it, and don't know if my other activities would allow it. I realize I'm likely being ignorant as it probably already popped-up here and I should have looked.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by wispeight

I haven't yet seen anyone mention their interpretation of 'Middle Earth' other than the hollow space in this planet. Please, I don't want to hear about the earth being hollow. Perhaps I should start a thread concerning that very question, but then I'd have to oversee it, and don't know if my other activities would allow it. I realize I'm likely being ignorant as it probably already popped-up here and I should have looked.

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[Nerwen]

Okay... I've had another look at your question. Ummm... are you asking what the term "Middle-earth" refers to?

[wispeight]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay... I've had another look at your question. Ummm... are you asking what the term "Middle-earth" refers to?

Not anymore. I had a little interest in what was thought regarding middle earth, I caught a glimmer out of the corner of my eye, I turned to look but it was gone... I have become comfortably done.

[Nerwen]

Well... anytime you do want to know something, just ask.

[wispeight]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well... anytime you do want to know something, just ask.

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The light of kindness from yourself and skip was a mistake, because of the fact that I am going to continue with more of my thoughts

I think that the seemingly unshakeable belief of the gods that Baldr was the epitome of perfection, must have in reality been an accord based on coercion. Loki would not have been able to trick a higher god into killing Baldr if this accord among all the gods was sincere. Even Loki realized that perfection is a state requiring no further experiencing and evolution toward continued upward progress.

Emanation of force and substance which in turn begins its own evolution is done even by humanity, and I'm not only referring to child-birth. But I will refrain from expanding upon this.

If I was to use the Nordic term 'ALL FATHER' and the word perfection, then I would feel the appropriateness of the word.

One way of speaking of the 14 Valars, if I was going to place them on seven grades and the feminine or substance on one side, with the masculine or force on the other, then I would say that these are states or conditions relatively close to each one of us, but then I would have to state the existence of seven more grades above those seven. These latter might be known as Tattwas with the ones closest to us being Lokas.

I'm not trying to be pedantic or impress. When I write things down, I remember them better, so if I do it on a public domain, my logic is that I'm impressing upon myself all the better, that which I'm trying to comprehend.

riddles remind me of spirals. Direct transmission of a concept from one point to another, with departure and arrival seeming to be simultaneous, interferes with the will of an individual.

[Morthoron]

...it's people's games you've got to dodge.

Originally Posted by wispeight

I think that the seemingly unshakeable belief of the gods that Baldr was the epitome of perfection, must have in reality been an accord based on coercion. Loki would not have been able to trick a higher god into killing Baldr if this accord among all the gods was sincere. Even Loki realized that perfection is a state requiring no further experiencing and evolution toward continued upward progress.

Hmmm...but Loki tricked blind Hödr into killing Baldr to circumvent the accord. It does not mean the compact between the gods was insincere; rather, the fact that there was imperfection (as a god without eyesight clearly indicates) even among the Aesir. It is likely that Hödr would not wilfully kill his brother; therefore, it was not the accord but the singular god who was imperfect (physically due to blindness, not morally), and thus Hödr became the dupe by which Loki assassinated Baldr. Also, Hödr and Baldr were reconciled in the end (at least, according to the Prose Edda), and so it would seem that Baldr did not recriminate Hödr for involuntarily breaching the accord.

In any case, the very fact that Baldr had an Achilles' heel (if I may mix pantheonic metaphors) indicates a limit to perfection (which Loki obviously discerned in his malice). And I'm not altogether sure that Loki had some philosophical ideal that mandated an action be taken against the falsity of a perfect state; rather, he was simply malicious. He was the primeval sociopath.

Originally Posted by wispeight

I came to this site because I love the "Lord of the Rings" movies, and watch them everytime they come on tv. I haven't yet seen anyone mention their interpretation of 'Middle Earth' other than the hollow space in this planet. Please, I don't want to hear about the earth being hollow. Perhaps I should start a thread concerning that very question, but then I'd have to oversee it, and don't know if my other activities would allow it. I realize I'm likely being ignorant as it probably already popped-up here and I should have looked.

I realize you stated you weren't trying to be obscurant, but no one here has interpreted Middle-earth to be the hollow space inside this planet; on the contrary, I would think that most folk here (I can't account for any eccentrics) would reply in opposition to such a concept in Tolkien's cosmology. Can you elucidate without the superfluity, please?

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by wispeight

Not anymore. I had a little interest in what was thought regarding middle earth, I caught a glimmer out of the corner of my eye, I turned to look but it was gone... I have become comfortably done.

You speak in riddles my friend.