Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

mark12_30 · 05-27-2008, 05:40 AM

Pardon me while I take a moment to publicly hope Alak will return. Helloooo, Alak?

lmp, those linked lists (HEE HEE HEE programmers joke) are great. I have poked at a few links and will try to do more shortly.

alaklondewen · 05-27-2008, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mark12_30

Pardon me while I take a moment to publicly hope Alak will return. Helloooo, Alak?

lmp, those linked lists (HEE HEE HEE programmers joke) are great. I have poked at a few links and will try to do more shortly.

Okay, Okay...with your responses and my husband's excitement, I would be honored to finish writing the Tapestry with you. I'll need at least a couple of days to be sure I've read everything (I've been keeping up, but as a reader and not writer).

littlemanpoet · 05-27-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by alaklondewen

Okay, Okay...with your responses and my husband's excitement, I would be honored to finish writing the Tapestry with you. I'll need at least a couple of days to be sure I've read everything (I've been keeping up, but as a reader and not writer).

Yay!

One wonders who else might pop back in at the last?

mark12_30 · 05-27-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alaklondewen

Okay, Okay...with your responses and my husband's excitement, I would be honored to finish writing the Tapestry with you. I'll need at least a couple of days to be sure I've read everything (I've been keeping up, but as a reader and not writer).

Woot woot!! Hooray!

Alak, I suggest focusing on lmp's linked lists (aw, I can't stand it, ROFL) several posts back. I know I will be. Great resource...

--questions?

GLEE!

ps. lmp, I skimmed or read through the links so far. Sweet. I had forgotten much.

Could you put lmp's newly linked lists in a new post so I know where to start? THankee!

alaklondewen · 05-27-2008, 05:51 PM

In the current stage of the story, how do you see Erebemlin's role?

Also, thinking of Taitheneb and Lorien, it crossed my mind of his returning with aid. I'm totally throwing that out there as it's going through me how fresh elves might aid, especially with the threat of Tharonwe.

Let me know what you think...

mark12_30 · 05-27-2008, 06:31 PM

Amroth is nearing the end of "his" strength. Mellondu has desires and intentions of his own, and is feverish (as usual) and also physically weakened by all of this intense travel.

Erebemlin still has his physical strength, and although he may feel weary by elf-standards and be looking forwward to resolving all of this and getting back to Marigold, he is still the strongest one around mentally and physically. (Excepting in some ways or at some times, Roy Edwards, who is full of surprises and in my mind still somewhat undefined. I imagine lmp has much left up his sleeve.)

So: currently Erebemlin is helping Amroth by holding Nimrodel, like a child, on Amroth's behalf as Amroth remains near her and is trying to take Nimrodel via osanwe through her insanity and out the other side. Remember Aragorn calling the black breath victims up and out of their darkness, while he was in the houses of healing? Like that, only there is a lot more to sift through. Amroth is weary, and more vulnerable than strong. Nimrodel is just plain mad. Erebemlin is essentially supporting them both, physically and osanwe-wise (and strength of will.) While they travel through Nimrodel's madness, Erebemlin will generally let Amroth lead much of the time, when Amroth can. But how much strength of will is left to Amroth, time will tell. He is nearly spent, and he is leaning hard on Erebemlin. THere will be times where Erebemlin picks up the reins, and leads until Amroth regains his strength.

And if they both get into trouble, the rest of the team will come into play.

Regarding Taitheneb: How I've missed him. I'd love to see him again.

mark12_30 · 05-27-2008, 07:16 PM

Alak: I just put up a sort of demo post. Feedback? Is that something you can work with?

I'm off to bed shortly... Alak, I am so glad to see you about. Yay!

lmp-- shout anytime.

alaklondewen · 05-27-2008, 07:20 PM

Actually, Helen...that was perfect. You answered my question and gave me stuff to work with. I so appreciate it. ^_^

littlemanpoet · 05-28-2008, 09:24 AM

I'll see what I can do regarding Tharonwe.

There is another Elf: Mithrellas. What could she do in terms of osanwe?

And Roy Edwards continues to be full of possibility, as you say. I'll have to give this some thought. Maybe I can have another post or two up by the end of the week.

littlemanpoet · 06-02-2008, 07:27 PM

Tharonwë has wrought his vengeance. What now, I wonder? Oh, I just realized: Roy Edwards has something yet to do, if it is allowed. I will explain later.

littlemanpoet · 06-02-2008, 07:46 PM

mark12_30 · 06-03-2008, 06:24 PM

Okay, so, that's fatal.

I'm flummoxed.

I guess that's one way to end the story a lot faster.

littlemanpoet · 06-03-2008, 06:42 PM

Well, we don't have to leave it that way; but you can bet Tharonwë would do that if there was "no eagles", as we say. I'm open to possibilities. Perhaps I wrote the worst case scenario. I would like to see what can be made of it, though. Here are some options:

Mellondu is dead and Amroth is marooned with Nimrodel but Aeron and Gwyllion are there to aid them, being ghosts, and this has been their destiny from the get-go.
Raefindan runs to Mellondu instead of toward Tharonwë and applies 21st century medical knowledge vis a vi breaking the arrow on both ends then applying pressure to the neck, so that Mellondu does not lose blood.
Raefindan effects some of the same power he exhibited in overthrowing Tharonwë's will by miraculously healing both Mellondu and Erebemlin, or even raising them from the dead.
Jorje sees what's about to happen and tackles Tharonwë before he can get the first arrow off and it flies awry but mortally wounds Leafa who with her dying breath sings that one song's final verse to Ædegard: "It will not be long love till our wedding day".
Raefindan sees "in his spirit" (being who and what he is) realizes what's about to happen and interferes somehow.

These are the options I can think of. Others? What do you think? Erebemlin's fate is not certain.

littlemanpoet · 06-03-2008, 07:35 PM

The post with dreams listed by dreamer is complete. Some day I'm going to have to read this whole story from beginning to end. It's really quite a tale we've wrought here.

littlemanpoet · 06-14-2008, 07:25 AM

Characters and themes that have yet to be worked in:

Note: everything below is suggestion, not certainty.

Aeron and Gwyllion are there to aid them, being ghosts, and this has been their destiny from the get-go.
Raefindan brings rain into the spirit realm where Amroth and Nimrodel hold their drama
Mithrellas - osanwë? Should she be Nimrodel's aid the way Erebemlin is for Amroth?
Ædegard - he's here for Mellondu - but what can he do?
Leafa - wow, I really don't know what to do with her past singing.
Jorje - I'm kind of lost here too.
Taitheneb returns - this is alak's task
Indil/Angela - I'd almost forgotten about her! What might she do?

Meanwhile, Raefindan continues to hold Tharonwë in check. Maybe I need to work on finding ideas for these characters from your posts, Helen. I'm really struggling with everybody but Tharonwë right now, and him soon too. I guess I like to know where things are headed in order to know what's happening now; not so good at just "following my nose". Hmm... not so good at prophetic writing.

Any ideas?

EDIT: well, that worked in Gwyllion and Aeron after all, and Ædegard and Leafa a little bit; but they need more. I'm still thinking about that Raefindan/rain thing...

littlemanpoet · 06-04-2008, 09:40 AM

I have revised my "kill" post, and now you will understand what's going on. This is really going to be a lot of fun to write!

piosenniel · 06-05-2008, 05:13 PM

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***

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littlemanpoet · 06-07-2008, 06:12 AM

Helen, your writing is inspired! It takes my breath away! I'm really taken with how you used that song of Leafa and linked it into your post. (It's Festival of the Arts in G.R. this weekend, and a Celtic band performed that very song! The female fiddler in the band played the melody and then sang a verse, then played, then sang until the song was finished - I was enthralled!)

I'm thinking of Bellyn and Liornung. Do you have plans for them? So many songs, so many dreams between the two of them. If you don't have plans, I'm willing to try to work something up based on the links; it may take some time....

mark12_30 · 06-07-2008, 01:55 PM

Thanks, lmp! *bows* But it was only natural, since I'm very fond of that particular song.

Bella and Liornung's many other songs: go ahead, and I'll follow best I can.

mark12_30 · 06-10-2008, 07:20 PM

Whups, you beat me. THis is Amroth's response to Bella. Paste it at the end of your Bella post?? Or, I can put it up and you can leapfrog. Whatever.

Amroth responds to Bella:

Peace flooded into Bella's mind. She stood upon a steep mossy bank, with golden leaves scattered across it; the wind played with them, sometimes tossing them down into the musical water below. Upon the wind was borne a song of such heartbreaking loveliness she wept to hear it, and turned into the breeze to search for it. She would have run to its source, were she not rooted by its silver beauty.

Indeed you refreshed me when all seemed lost. Indeed, you traveled with me, far from home; we went where no one goes-- here, to this stream. You carried my load; you helped me tread for miles; you were my friend upon the road. Your songs were my road here, to this clear cool harmony, Bella. Your voice brought me here again and again. Do you not see that you were rest for my soul? Hope returned to me when you strengthened my faith, by bringing me back to this singing silver stream.

~*~*~

littlemanpoet · 06-11-2008, 04:52 AM

I'll paste it in when I get home. - Can't do it from this work computer.

littlemanpoet · 06-13-2008, 07:35 PM

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"Big rain, " whispered Willow, swaying and sweeping. "Much rain. Great deep-to-the-roots rain--"

Raefindan turned to Elempi. "Can I really do that?"

Elempi grinned.

Uh, what are you suggesting? Do you think Raefindan can do something I haven't thought of? (Elempi scratches his head, mystified but intrigued)

mark12_30 · 06-14-2008, 05:50 AM

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Uh, what are you suggesting? Do you think Raefindan can do something I haven't thought of? (Elempi scratches his head, mystified but intrigued)

I dunno, you tell me. HE keeps doing the "more than meets the eye" thing, so I never quite know what to expect. Perhaps he's growing bigger than life.

littlemanpoet · 06-16-2008, 08:04 PM

Helen, I felt lost through more than half of that last post. I suggest providing content at the front of the post similar to that at the end of the post, creating a pair of book-ends to serve as references or points of entry for the reader.

alaklondewen · 06-17-2008, 01:48 PM

Lmp, I love the involvement of Aeron and Gwyll.

Helen, the elven circle was beautiful.

I have a sprig of an idea I'm going to chew and develop. In the meantime, I'll get a post ready for Erebemlin.

As to my sporadic-ness...we found out last week that my mother has cancer, so lift prayers for us...we really need them.

mark12_30 · 06-17-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Helen, I felt lost through more than half of that last post. I suggest providing content at the front of the post similar to that at the end of the post, creating a pair of book-ends to serve as references or points of entry for the reader.

Er, okay. BUt it was just an echo of Aeron and Gwyll. Or maybe Aeron and Gwyll were echoing what had happened long ago (sort of how I interpreted it.) Did I ever figure out what Avarien's original name was...?

Anyway I added a couple sentences at the beginning.

Lord, please lift Alak's mom, and encourage her, and encourage all her family. And please provide all the care and wisdom that she needs.

littlemanpoet · 06-17-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mark12_30

Lord, please lift Alak's mom, and encourage her, and encourage all her family. And please provide all the care and wisdom that she needs.

Amen.

mark12_30 · 06-22-2008, 03:18 PM

Thinking of you, alak. May the Lord give you grace and peace, and may hope abound towards you in the power of the Holy Spirit.

littlemanpoet · 07-06-2008, 04:22 PM

You posted the same day I did! I never noticed! Of course, I was going through a spot of selfish not-caring so I wasn't looking very hard. I have repented.

Games. I'm thinking that Gwyllion and Aeron want to make up a game that makes Nimrodel stop thinking about her misery and despair and moves her into experiencing Amroth as real before she can stop herself from doing so. I'm not sure what kind of game for them to make up. Can you help?

mark12_30 · 07-07-2008, 04:46 PM

Hmmm. That sounds like a great idea.

The problem is that in four days I depart for almost four weeks.

I was kind of relieved that you seemed too busy to reply...

How about we continue to pray for alak and alak's mom but put other Tapestry things on pause until Aug 7 or 8?

THen Gwyll and Aeron can have some real fun.

littlemanpoet · 07-08-2008, 03:45 AM

Wow. I'm still working on closing things down here at the BD. God told me to do this back in Feb. And here I am still resolving the close-down. I'll keep my commitment to this, including waiting for a month. My involvement is greatly limited already, so it's not like this is eating up my days anymore. Okay. I'll wait and say the prayers.

mark12_30 · 11-03-2008, 12:56 PM

They buried my auntie last week.

littlemanpoet · 05-28-2008, 08:07 PM

More dreams:

http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=470
http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=439
http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=431
http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=430
http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=415

mark12_30 · 05-29-2008, 05:27 PM

Reviewing some old (old!) posts in the first book: When The Lady Estelyn released (or, actually, refused to release!) Mellonin from her service as talekeeper at the Inn (Seventh Star), , she put a charge on her: to write down her adventures, and upon her return, place the story in the library.

Good heavens, Mellonin has been woefully delinquent! Or, at least, "we" haven't been mentioning her spurts of writing.

I wonder whether she lost her "writing material" that Estelyn gave her. Or perhaps, it ended up deep in Ravion's pack, with a few old notes, abandoned once things got a bit rough. Perhaps Ravion has been secretly cherishing it, and he will return it to her first real chance he gets. When he remembers it.

I may doctor a few older posts, to add that in....

And while I am here: Song posts: THey start from here

http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...2&postcount=82

and go til post 94;
and then one more at
http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...5&postcount=99

page six is about the merchant scuffle, and the suffocating dust...

mark12_30 · 05-30-2008, 02:38 PM

A moment of hope. We'll need a few ups among the downs.

Happy Friday, team!

From page nine:
http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...t=10385&page=9

mark12_30 · 05-30-2008, 05:12 PM

Top of the first book:
http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=10385
Top of the first discussion thread:
http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=10334

What happens next as Nimrodel relives the past:

Mithrellas, stung by Nimrodel's fury, will linger near her, til Imrazor finds her, courts her, and marries her. She leaves Nimrodel long enough to raise a family. ...
From the first discussion thread, towards the bottom of post # 9:
After Mithrellas leaves Imrazor she returns to the mountains to look for Nimrodel. She travels far west (towards Lefnui?) and finds the wandering Nimrodel, and persuades her to return to Edhellond and look for Amroth.

(While Mithrellas was married to Imrazor and raising a family: )
Nimrodel has found Amroth's corpse (uncorrupt) washed up on shore, somewhere on the Belfalas. Since he is uncorrupt, she hopes in the possibility he might return to that body instead of being reborn as an infant, so she lays him in a few feet of clear water (a la dead marshes, only he doesn't rot) and waits (for a couple of decades) over his body for him to return.

But the Valar don't want to send Amroth back; They want her to come west; so they wait, hoping that she'll catch the next ship. Amroth is stuck in Mandos, waiting and hoping.

Nimrodel waits beside Amroth's body for a long time; however, Nothing Happens, (while Mithrellas and Imrazor are happily building a family, and Amroth is waiting in the Halls of Mandos for her to sail west.) and eventually Nimrodel despairs and loses her reason.

She returns alone to the mountains, where she finds the Stone of Erech. She waits there, drawn to it in her madness and despair, and the dead come. She recognizes their despair in hers, and chooses to stay with them, dwelling in her memories of Amroth while she is awake, and dreaming of him while she sleeps. In her madness she willingly participates in their curse. The Valar realize this and further refuse to send Amroth back to her while she is under the curse.

Mithrellas finds her, after a long hard search. She waits on her, and takes care of her. For long years they dwell there, til Nimrodel forgets her name and takes the names given her by the dead. but Although the curse burdens, opresses and wearies her, Mithrellas brings food to Nimrodel and never abandons her. When Elessar breaks the curse and frees the Dead during the War of the Ring, Nimrodel and Mithrellas are freed as well. (Nimrodel is, however, still mad, completely living in memories of Amroth.) They wander west from Erech, through the cleft above the penninsula that juts into the bay of Belfalas, straight to the coast. They follow the coast up through Enedwaith over the mouth of the Isen, up into Miniriath, to the mouth of the Baranduin. There they halt; short of the havens, they turn south and return to Belfalas.

EDIT: or to the vale where they are now.

This progression, with the dreams and songs, should wrap up the tale. Hopefully we can use this as a framework, or as a warp, weaving in the woof of the dreams & songs as we go.

littlemanpoet · 05-31-2008, 07:45 AM

Yike! Have I misinterpreted Mithrellas as too strong of spirit?

More dreams:

http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=391
http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=378
http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=373

I'm out of time for now. More later.

mark12_30 · 05-31-2008, 07:51 AM

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Yike! Have I misinterpreted Mithrellas as too strong of spirit?

NO NO NO, she is more yours than mine!! THat's from an old outline written in the beginning of things (LIKE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO???) so of course it needs adjustment. I put it up more for the map value than the character stuff. THey are who they are, at this point.

In fact let me know where my outline needs Mithrellas-adjustment and I will edit accordingly so that we are all on the same (pro-Mithrellas) page. Nimrodel NEEDS a strong friend, don't weaken her now!

mark12_30 · 05-31-2008, 07:48 AM

I say, it's raining! We were going to go to the local forest, and hike. BUt we will do our hiking virtually, beside Frodo and Sam. Today we are going to watch Fellowship!

And in between, or besides, or maybe during the "geez couldn't he have put something more important into this space" parts, I wll be poking about in the old story, and maybe adding a bit to the new book... but I will check here periodically.

Alak-- Don't feel like you have to review EVERYTHING before you can post ANYTHING. If something is out of whack we will gently and kindly give you a nudge, so give it a shot. We trust you!

05-27-2008, 05:40 AM	#1
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Pardon me while I take a moment to publicly hope Alak will return. Helloooo, Alak? lmp, those linked lists (HEE HEE HEE programmers joke) are great. I have poked at a few links and will try to do more shortly. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve. Last edited by mark12_30; 05-27-2008 at 05:44 AM.

05-27-2008, 05:51 PM	#5
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Questions of the Elvish kind In the current stage of the story, how do you see Erebemlin's role? Also, thinking of Taitheneb and Lorien, it crossed my mind of his returning with aid. I'm totally throwing that out there as it's going through me how fresh elves might aid, especially with the threat of Tharonwe. Let me know what you think... __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

05-27-2008, 06:31 PM	#6
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Amroth is nearing the end of "his" strength. Mellondu has desires and intentions of his own, and is feverish (as usual) and also physically weakened by all of this intense travel. Erebemlin still has his physical strength, and although he may feel weary by elf-standards and be looking forwward to resolving all of this and getting back to Marigold, he is still the strongest one around mentally and physically. (Excepting in some ways or at some times, Roy Edwards, who is full of surprises and in my mind still somewhat undefined. I imagine lmp has much left up his sleeve.) So: currently Erebemlin is helping Amroth by holding Nimrodel, like a child, on Amroth's behalf as Amroth remains near her and is trying to take Nimrodel via osanwe through her insanity and out the other side. Remember Aragorn calling the black breath victims up and out of their darkness, while he was in the houses of healing? Like that, only there is a lot more to sift through. Amroth is weary, and more vulnerable than strong. Nimrodel is just plain mad. Erebemlin is essentially supporting them both, physically and osanwe-wise (and strength of will.) While they travel through Nimrodel's madness, Erebemlin will generally let Amroth lead much of the time, when Amroth can. But how much strength of will is left to Amroth, time will tell. He is nearly spent, and he is leaning hard on Erebemlin. THere will be times where Erebemlin picks up the reins, and leads until Amroth regains his strength. And if they both get into trouble, the rest of the team will come into play. Regarding Taitheneb: How I've missed him. I'd love to see him again. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve. Last edited by mark12_30; 05-27-2008 at 06:41 PM.

05-27-2008, 07:16 PM	#7
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Alak: I just put up a sort of demo post. Feedback? Is that something you can work with? I'm off to bed shortly... Alak, I am so glad to see you about. Yay! lmp-- shout anytime. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

05-27-2008, 07:20 PM	#8
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Actually, Helen...that was perfect. You answered my question and gave me stuff to work with. I so appreciate it. ^_^ __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

05-28-2008, 09:24 AM	#9
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I'll see what I can do regarding Tharonwe. There is another Elf: Mithrellas. What could she do in terms of osanwe? And Roy Edwards continues to be full of possibility, as you say. I'll have to give this some thought. Maybe I can have another post or two up by the end of the week.

06-02-2008, 07:27 PM	#10
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Tharonwë has wrought his vengeance. What now, I wonder? Oh, I just realized: Roy Edwards has something yet to do, if it is allowed. I will explain later.

06-02-2008, 07:46 PM	#11
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Dreams Raefindan http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...20&postcount=9 (1st) http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=252 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=270 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=282 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=285 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=297 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=299 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=373 (2nd) http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=391 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=558 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=590 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=689 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=693 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=122 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=124 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=151 Mellonin http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...20&postcount=9 (2nd) http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=329 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=430 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=494 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=153 Amroth http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=144 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=202 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=209 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=415 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=470 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=605 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=696 Gwyllion http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=373 (1st) http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=431 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=518 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=527 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=532 Bellyn http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=378 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=439 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=508 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=522 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=535 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...1&postcount=18 Mellondu http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=594 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=101 Erebemlin http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=596 Ædegard http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=602 (1st) Jorje http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=602 (2nd) Aeron http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=602 (3rd) http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...3&postcount=11 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...9&postcount=59 Argeleafa http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=603 Indil http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=105 Ravion http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=149 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=150 Last edited by littlemanpoet; 06-03-2008 at 07:34 PM.

06-03-2008, 06:24 PM	#12
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Okay, so, that's fatal. I'm flummoxed. I guess that's one way to end the story a lot faster. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

06-03-2008, 06:42 PM	#13
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Well, we don't have to leave it that way; but you can bet Tharonwë would do that if there was "no eagles", as we say. I'm open to possibilities. Perhaps I wrote the worst case scenario. I would like to see what can be made of it, though. Here are some options: Mellondu is dead and Amroth is marooned with Nimrodel but Aeron and Gwyllion are there to aid them, being ghosts, and this has been their destiny from the get-go. Raefindan runs to Mellondu instead of toward Tharonwë and applies 21st century medical knowledge vis a vi breaking the arrow on both ends then applying pressure to the neck, so that Mellondu does not lose blood. Raefindan effects some of the same power he exhibited in overthrowing Tharonwë's will by miraculously healing both Mellondu and Erebemlin, or even raising them from the dead. Jorje sees what's about to happen and tackles Tharonwë before he can get the first arrow off and it flies awry but mortally wounds Leafa who with her dying breath sings that one song's final verse to Ædegard: "It will not be long love till our wedding day". Raefindan sees "in his spirit" (being who and what he is) realizes what's about to happen and interferes somehow. These are the options I can think of. Others? What do you think? Erebemlin's fate is not certain. Last edited by littlemanpoet; 06-03-2008 at 07:09 PM.

06-03-2008, 07:35 PM	#14
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	The post with dreams listed by dreamer is complete. Some day I'm going to have to read this whole story from beginning to end. It's really quite a tale we've wrought here.

06-14-2008, 07:25 AM	#15
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Characters and themes that have yet to be worked in: Note: everything below is suggestion, not certainty. Aeron and Gwyllion are there to aid them, being ghosts, and this has been their destiny from the get-go. Raefindan brings rain into the spirit realm where Amroth and Nimrodel hold their drama Mithrellas - osanwë? Should she be Nimrodel's aid the way Erebemlin is for Amroth? Ædegard - he's here for Mellondu - but what can he do? Leafa - wow, I really don't know what to do with her past singing. Jorje - I'm kind of lost here too. Taitheneb returns - this is alak's task Indil/Angela - I'd almost forgotten about her! What might she do? Meanwhile, Raefindan continues to hold Tharonwë in check. Maybe I need to work on finding ideas for these characters from your posts, Helen. I'm really struggling with everybody but Tharonwë right now, and him soon too. I guess I like to know where things are headed in order to know what's happening now; not so good at just "following my nose". Hmm... not so good at prophetic writing. Any ideas? EDIT: well, that worked in Gwyllion and Aeron after all, and Ædegard and Leafa a little bit; but they need more. I'm still thinking about that Raefindan/rain thing... Last edited by littlemanpoet; 06-14-2008 at 07:57 AM.

06-04-2008, 09:40 AM	#16
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I have revised my "kill" post, and now you will understand what's going on. This is really going to be a lot of fun to write!

06-05-2008, 05:13 PM	#17
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	The errand rider from Gondor dismounted quickly and strode purposefully into the thread. He unfurled a parchment and nailed it to one of the walls: * Come one, come all, you denizens here and in far lands!! All those who enjoy the reading of a good tale and the playing out of one. A new name has been added to the list of storytellers in Gondor: ~~ littlemanpoet ~~** Come and give your congratulations to this wonderful wordsmith! ~~ Free drinks/ free food/ & plenty of good company ~~ *** Come to The Seventh Star Inn in Gondor and lift a glass to littlemanpoet.!!! __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

06-07-2008, 06:12 AM	#18
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Helen, your writing is inspired! It takes my breath away! I'm really taken with how you used that song of Leafa and linked it into your post. (It's Festival of the Arts in G.R. this weekend, and a Celtic band performed that very song! The female fiddler in the band played the melody and then sang a verse, then played, then sang until the song was finished - I was enthralled!) I'm thinking of Bellyn and Liornung. Do you have plans for them? So many songs, so many dreams between the two of them. If you don't have plans, I'm willing to try to work something up based on the links; it may take some time....

06-07-2008, 01:55 PM	#19
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Thanks, lmp! *bows* But it was only natural, since I'm very fond of that particular song. Bella and Liornung's many other songs: go ahead, and I'll follow best I can. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

06-10-2008, 07:20 PM	#20
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Whups, you beat me. THis is Amroth's response to Bella. Paste it at the end of your Bella post?? Or, I can put it up and you can leapfrog. Whatever. Amroth responds to Bella: Peace flooded into Bella's mind. She stood upon a steep mossy bank, with golden leaves scattered across it; the wind played with them, sometimes tossing them down into the musical water below. Upon the wind was borne a song of such heartbreaking loveliness she wept to hear it, and turned into the breeze to search for it. She would have run to its source, were she not rooted by its silver beauty. Indeed you refreshed me when all seemed lost. Indeed, you traveled with me, far from home; we went where no one goes-- here, to this stream. You carried my load; you helped me tread for miles; you were my friend upon the road. Your songs were my road here, to this clear cool harmony, Bella. Your voice brought me here again and again. Do you not see that you were rest for my soul? Hope returned to me when you strengthened my faith, by bringing me back to this singing silver stream. ~~~ __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

06-11-2008, 04:52 AM	#21
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I'll paste it in when I get home. - Can't do it from this work computer.

06-16-2008, 08:04 PM	#24
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Helen, I felt lost through more than half of that last post. I suggest providing content at the front of the post similar to that at the end of the post, creating a pair of book-ends to serve as references or points of entry for the reader.

06-17-2008, 01:48 PM	#25
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Lmp, I love the involvement of Aeron and Gwyll. Helen, the elven circle was beautiful. I have a sprig of an idea I'm going to chew and develop. In the meantime, I'll get a post ready for Erebemlin. As to my sporadic-ness...we found out last week that my mother has cancer, so lift prayers for us...we really need them. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

06-22-2008, 03:18 PM	#28
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Thinking of you, alak. May the Lord give you grace and peace, and may hope abound towards you in the power of the Holy Spirit. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

07-06-2008, 04:22 PM	#29
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	You posted the same day I did! I never noticed! Of course, I was going through a spot of selfish not-caring so I wasn't looking very hard. I have repented. Games. I'm thinking that Gwyllion and Aeron want to make up a game that makes Nimrodel stop thinking about her misery and despair and moves her into experiencing Amroth as real before she can stop herself from doing so. I'm not sure what kind of game for them to make up. Can you help?

07-07-2008, 04:46 PM	#30
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Hmmm. That sounds like a great idea. The problem is that in four days I depart for almost four weeks. I was kind of relieved that you seemed too busy to reply... How about we continue to pray for alak and alak's mom but put other Tapestry things on pause until Aug 7 or 8? THen Gwyll and Aeron can have some real fun. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

07-08-2008, 03:45 AM	#31
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Wow. I'm still working on closing things down here at the BD. God told me to do this back in Feb. And here I am still resolving the close-down. I'll keep my commitment to this, including waiting for a month. My involvement is greatly limited already, so it's not like this is eating up my days anymore. Okay. I'll wait and say the prayers.

11-03-2008, 12:56 PM	#32
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	They buried my auntie last week. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

05-28-2008, 08:07 PM	#33
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Tapestry pages 11-13 More dreams: http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=470 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=439 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=431 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=430 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=415

05-29-2008, 05:27 PM	#34
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Reviewing some old (old!) posts in the first book: When The Lady Estelyn released (or, actually, refused to release!) Mellonin from her service as talekeeper at the Inn (Seventh Star), , she put a charge on her: to write down her adventures, and upon her return, place the story in the library. Good heavens, Mellonin has been woefully delinquent! Or, at least, "we" haven't been mentioning her spurts of writing. I wonder whether she lost her "writing material" that Estelyn gave her. Or perhaps, it ended up deep in Ravion's pack, with a few old notes, abandoned once things got a bit rough. Perhaps Ravion has been secretly cherishing it, and he will return it to her first real chance he gets. When he remembers it. I may doctor a few older posts, to add that in.... And while I am here: Song posts: THey start from here http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...2&postcount=82 and go til post 94; and then one more at http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...5&postcount=99 page six is about the merchant scuffle, and the suffocating dust... __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve. Last edited by mark12_30; 05-29-2008 at 07:42 PM.

05-30-2008, 02:38 PM	#35
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	A moment of hope. We'll need a few ups among the downs. Happy Friday, team! From page nine: http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...t=10385&page=9 __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve. Last edited by mark12_30; 05-30-2008 at 03:25 PM.

05-30-2008, 05:12 PM	#36
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Top of the first book: http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=10385 Top of the first discussion thread: http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=10334 What happens next as Nimrodel relives the past: Mithrellas, stung by Nimrodel's fury, will linger near her, til Imrazor finds her, courts her, and marries her. She leaves Nimrodel long enough to raise a family. ... From the first discussion thread, towards the bottom of post # 9: After Mithrellas leaves Imrazor she returns to the mountains to look for Nimrodel. She travels far west (towards Lefnui?) and finds the wandering Nimrodel, and persuades her to return to Edhellond and look for Amroth. (While Mithrellas was married to Imrazor and raising a family: ) Nimrodel has found Amroth's corpse (uncorrupt) washed up on shore, somewhere on the Belfalas. Since he is uncorrupt, she hopes in the possibility he might return to that body instead of being reborn as an infant, so she lays him in a few feet of clear water (a la dead marshes, only he doesn't rot) and waits (for a couple of decades) over his body for him to return. But the Valar don't want to send Amroth back; They want her to come west; so they wait, hoping that she'll catch the next ship. Amroth is stuck in Mandos, waiting and hoping. Nimrodel waits beside Amroth's body for a long time; however, Nothing Happens, (while Mithrellas and Imrazor are happily building a family, and Amroth is waiting in the Halls of Mandos for her to sail west.) and eventually Nimrodel despairs and loses her reason. She returns alone to the mountains, where she finds the Stone of Erech. She waits there, drawn to it in her madness and despair, and the dead come. She recognizes their despair in hers, and chooses to stay with them, dwelling in her memories of Amroth while she is awake, and dreaming of him while she sleeps. In her madness she willingly participates in their curse. The Valar realize this and further refuse to send Amroth back to her while she is under the curse. Mithrellas finds her, after a long hard search. She waits on her, and takes care of her. For long years they dwell there, til Nimrodel forgets her name and takes the names given her by the dead. but Although the curse burdens, opresses and wearies her, Mithrellas brings food to Nimrodel and never abandons her. When Elessar breaks the curse and frees the Dead during the War of the Ring, Nimrodel and Mithrellas are freed as well. (Nimrodel is, however, still mad, completely living in memories of Amroth.) They wander west from Erech, through the cleft above the penninsula that juts into the bay of Belfalas, straight to the coast. They follow the coast up through Enedwaith over the mouth of the Isen, up into Miniriath, to the mouth of the Baranduin. There they halt; short of the havens, they turn south and return to Belfalas. EDIT: or to the vale where they are now. This progression, with the dreams and songs, should wrap up the tale. Hopefully we can use this as a framework, or as a warp, weaving in the woof of the dreams & songs as we go. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve. Last edited by mark12_30; 06-01-2008 at 03:33 PM.

05-31-2008, 07:45 AM	#37
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Yike! Have I misinterpreted Mithrellas as too strong of spirit? More dreams: http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=391 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=378 http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/sho...&postcount=373 I'm out of time for now. More later.

05-31-2008, 07:48 AM	#39
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I say, it's raining! We were going to go to the local forest, and hike. BUt we will do our hiking virtually, beside Frodo and Sam. Today we are going to watch Fellowship! And in between, or besides, or maybe during the "geez couldn't he have put something more important into this space" parts, I wll be poking about in the old story, and maybe adding a bit to the new book... but I will check here periodically. Alak-- Don't feel like you have to review EVERYTHING before you can post ANYTHING. If something is out of whack we will gently and kindly give you a nudge, so give it a shot. We trust you! __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

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