What won't be in The Hobbit

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Tuor in Gondolin

And given the North American audience, what will "attercop" and "tomnoddy" be replaced by as insults to the spiders?

Maybe nothing... after all, The Hobbit is a British work, and despite their imperfect success in conveying that, Jackson & Co. did at least make an effort in the LotR films to have British-sounding Hobbits, at least.

EDIT: After all, though the North American market is huge, this film is definitely going to play on the global stage, as acknowledged in the past with the London premieres.

[davem]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

after all, The Hobbit is a British work,

An English work, surely

[Tuor in Gondolin]

I agree the insults SHOULD stay yhe same, but given
Hollywood mentality I have my doubts. After all, the
Australian accents in the first Mad Max movie were
all "Americanized" (except for Braveheart, of course).

[Girl in the Grass]

I don't think the dwarves' song will make it in, or any of the songs for that matter. As for Riddles in the Dark, I have a feeling it will be cut out entirely, with Bilbo just finding the ring, maybe a short confrontation with Gollum, and then getting out of the caves. Beorn's helper animals are probably going to be cut as well. I have a sneaky feeling the dungeons of Mirkwood are going to go the way of Tom Bombadil...

[Morwen]

Originally Posted by Girl in the Grass

I don't think the dwarves' song will make it in, or any of the songs for that matter. As for Riddles in the Dark, I have a feeling it will be cut out entirely, with Bilbo just finding the ring, maybe a short confrontation with Gollum, and then getting out of the caves. Beorn's helper animals are probably going to be cut as well. I have a sneaky feeling the dungeons of Mirkwood are going to go the way of Tom Bombadil...

With respect to the Riddles in the Dark scene, I suppose that it might be shortened but not cut entirely. If you are going to have Gollum in the movie you might as well do his big scene. I would hope that they would want to portray some version of riddle game so that Bilbo can get to ask his famous non - riddle "what have I got in my pocket?" and Gollum will later get to voice his menacing query "What has its gots in its pockets?"

[Makar]

Originally Posted by Girl in the Grass

I don't think the dwarves' song will make it in, or any of the songs for that matter. As for Riddles in the Dark, I have a feeling it will be cut out entirely, with Bilbo just finding the ring, maybe a short confrontation with Gollum, and then getting out of the caves. Beorn's helper animals are probably going to be cut as well. I have a sneaky feeling the dungeons of Mirkwood are going to go the way of Tom Bombadil...

I agree with those who say that Riddles will feature prominently. Along with the Shire and Rivendell, it is one of the links to LotR. Dungeons of Mirkwood are out? Seems unlikely, as this is the link to the Elves at the Battle of the Five Armies as well as Bilbo's burglar training

[William Cloud Hicklin]

The Pukelmen did not make the cartoon or the radio drama and thus were not in the live action film.

Yes they were. They weren't mentioned in dialogue, but they were there, sitting at the road-turnings.

And del Toro has said (someplace) how wonderful he thinks the Riddle chapter is.

[Makar]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

Yes they were. They weren't mentioned in dialogue, but they were there, sitting at the road-turnings.

And del Toro has said (someplace) how wonderful he thinks the Riddle chapter is.

Help me out here. They are in the Rankin-Bass RotK?

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by davem

An English work, surely

Ha ha. An important distinction.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Ha ha. An important distinction.

You know... I wasn't going to bother defending myself, since Davem's preference (and indeed the general English preference) to distinguish the English from the general British is understandable enough to one who would distinguish Canadian from the more general North American.

However, I feel prompted enough to point out that the distinction I was making was that, although The Hobbit may be most likely to have its largest market in North America, it is not a work that belongs to that culture. Perhaps I should have been more specific and said "English"... but my point might have been made better to have gone the other way and said "European" or "Old World". The point was more that The Hobbit was a non-North American work than that it was specifically any other sort, though, of course, it does actually have to be some other sort in order to be at all and not be North American, and in this case is English, but as a broader term, British does encompass English, though it is not so specific a term.

~Formendacil the disgruntled