Seven Stars, Seven Stones and One White Tree... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Bregalad · 03-12-2008, 11:08 AM

"What did they bring, the kings of old
from over the sundered seas?
Seven stars and seven stones and one white tree"

Well, this is a line (not used) from the script of the lotr-movie.
According to this, maybe the seven "stars" are representing the ships?

William Cloud Hicklin · 03-12-2008, 07:40 PM

Ibrin has the correct answer, but misspoke: the "Index" in question was the detailed Index/dictionary which Tolkien prepared in 1966 for the 2nd Edition of the Lord of the Rings (not the Sil) but never finished. Hammond and Scull quote from it extensively in their Companion and Guide.

zxcvbn · 03-13-2008, 03:25 AM

Can you quote the exact line, WCH?

Galin · 03-13-2008, 08:31 AM

I'm sure WCH can, but here it is anyway...

Quote:

'According to the 1966 Index the seven stars that were part of the emblem of Elendil and his house 'originally represented the single stars on the banners of each of seven ships (of 9) that bore a palantír'.

So the last part is Tolkien himself of course. As Mr. Hicklin noted this refers to an index meant for The Lord of the Rings.

mark12_30 · 03-13-2008, 03:31 PM

I always thought that Aragorn had one. "And the Star of Elendil was on his brow." Can't remember what page it was on. Pelennor fields maybe??

Gordis · 03-13-2008, 04:02 PM

That was Elendilmir, a jewel on a silver fillet, used like of a crown- a simbol of royalty in Arnor.

The one Aragorn had was made for Valandil of Arnor because the original one had been lost with his father Isildur. Later Aragorn found the first one in Saruman's hoard in Orthanc (UT).

mark12_30 · 03-13-2008, 05:00 PM

Wow, cool. I had forgotten/not absorbed that (langsyne since I read UT.) But what hinders those/that from being the seven stars?

Just wondering.

03-12-2008, 07:40 PM	#2
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	Ibrin has the correct answer, but misspoke: the "Index" in question was the detailed Index/dictionary which Tolkien prepared in 1966 for the 2nd Edition of the Lord of the Rings (not the Sil) but never finished. Hammond and Scull quote from it extensively in their Companion and Guide. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

03-13-2008, 03:31 PM	#5
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I always thought that Aragorn had one. "And the Star of Elendil was on his brow." Can't remember what page it was on. Pelennor fields maybe?? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

03-13-2008, 05:00 PM	#7
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Wow, cool. I had forgotten/not absorbed that (langsyne since I read UT.) But what hinders those/that from being the seven stars? Just wondering. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

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03-12-2008, 11:08 AM	#1
Bregalad Newly Deceased Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: West coast of Sweden Posts: 3	"What did they bring, the kings of old from over the sundered seas? Seven stars and seven stones and one white tree" Well, this is a line (not used) from the script of the lotr-movie. According to this, maybe the seven "stars" are representing the ships?

03-13-2008, 03:25 AM	#3
zxcvbn Wight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In front of my PC Posts: 164	Can you quote the exact line, WCH?

03-13-2008, 04:02 PM	#6
Gordis Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 431	That was Elendilmir, a jewel on a silver fillet, used like of a crown- a simbol of royalty in Arnor. The one Aragorn had was made for Valandil of Arnor because the original one had been lost with his father Isildur. Later Aragorn found the first one in Saruman's hoard in Orthanc (UT).