LOTR and Evil - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

TealDude3 · 02-06-2003, 05:51 PM

Ok, this was a while back (a year and three months to be exact), but it still bothers me. My sister was driving me to a small party-sorta. Anyway, here is the x
conversation.

TealDude3: I'm going to go see a movie with my friend later tonight.
Sister: What movie?
TealDude3: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring.
Sister: You should ask mom.
TealDude3: Why? I've read the book.
Sister: I don't care, ask her!

It's not the rating of the movie that bothers her, she well knows that my mom leats me watch PG-13 movies (mom use to be strict on my movie selection). I still don't know why she asked me to call my mom (mom was up north), Until later, at the party when I called my mom.

TealDude3: Mom said yes.
Sister: Give me the phone!

So, I give her the phone. She goes into another room and closes the door. While shes in the other room, I listen into what my sister was saying through the door.

Sister: But mom, haven't you heared about it! It's demonic! Anybody can tell just by watching the commercials! It's worse that Harry Potter! [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] (my mom hates Harry Potter)

Thats when I run into the room and demand the phone back. It took me 30 minutes on the phone, and 1 hour when my mom comes home to convince her its not evil.

But it doesn't end there.

When I read a review for FOTR in the newspaper, the reviewer said that the movie had "occult refrences". ***!?!?! [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Can anybody explain to me how a non-Tolkienite generates the idea that LOTR has occult refrences?

Evenstar1069 · 02-06-2003, 05:59 PM

I'm not quite sure, maybe the same way they think Harry Potter promotes hate? I think it's probably all those really oppiniated people who think the world should think like them. But then I've been told there is also bible refrences in LOTR but I don't see those either. Maybe it's just the way different things mean something different to different people.

Eruwen · 02-06-2003, 06:08 PM

You know, I went through the same thing with my principle at school. {You can read all about it on a topic called LOTR banned in this section of the Barrow-Downs.}

I think peopl just look at Harry Potter and say, "ooh, magic, it must be satan worshippers". Then they see LOTR and it says something about a wizard and fantasy so they think the same thing. Most people who are against it are just too ignorant or too lazy to pick up the book and read it themselves.

Your sister on the other hand, if she was being that much of a hipocrite by going but saying you can't cause it's bad, maybe she just has this evil plot against you or something. Lol. But hey, I have 3 sisters, I know how they can be. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-06-2003, 07:06 PM

Really, all these mutterings about books like LotR and the Harry Potter series promoting devil worship are quite beyond me. I've heard and understood the arguments on Harry Potter, although I don't agree with them. But I can't begin to understand how anyone can suggest the same about LotR. Frankly, it's absurd. And, from what I've seen, there are many committed Christians on this site who are also devoted Tolkien fans and see their beliefs mirrored in his works.

And anyway, I heard that the Pope gave Harry Potter his blessing. And he should know - he's supposed to be God's representative on earth, isn't he? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 02-06-2003, 07:45 PM

Quote:

heard that the Pope gave Harry Potter his blessing.

Yes, that's true. The Vatican read it and gave it two thumbs up. One person in the vatican said it gave good christian morals, about good v evil I think. But go here Vatican Gives Two Thumbs Up to 'Potter'. Show your mom that, and then try connecting it with LotR.

Gorwingel · 02-06-2003, 08:50 PM

Yeah, I had another friend who thought that the LOTR:FOTR was demonic, but it was not as demonic as Harry Potter (who she said was against her religion to read), though she was kind of weird (we knew she had serious learning disabilities) she basically went by the stance that it has wizards, so it has magic and thus it is bad. I never got her point of view though, I think their is nothing wrong with the books.

02-06-2003, 05:51 PM	#1
TealDude3 Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Bebop Posts: 138	LOTR and Evil Ok, this was a while back (a year and three months to be exact), but it still bothers me. My sister was driving me to a small party-sorta. Anyway, here is the x conversation. TealDude3: I'm going to go see a movie with my friend later tonight. Sister: What movie? TealDude3: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. Sister: You should ask mom. TealDude3: Why? I've read the book. Sister: I don't care, ask her! It's not the rating of the movie that bothers her, she well knows that my mom leats me watch PG-13 movies (mom use to be strict on my movie selection). I still don't know why she asked me to call my mom (mom was up north), Until later, at the party when I called my mom. TealDude3: Mom said yes. Sister: Give me the phone! So, I give her the phone. She goes into another room and closes the door. While shes in the other room, I listen into what my sister was saying through the door. Sister: But mom, haven't you heared about it! It's demonic! Anybody can tell just by watching the commercials! It's worse that Harry Potter! [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] (my mom hates Harry Potter) Thats when I run into the room and demand the phone back. It took me 30 minutes on the phone, and 1 hour when my mom comes home to convince her its not evil. But it doesn't end there. When I read a review for FOTR in the newspaper, the reviewer said that the movie had "occult refrences". ***!?!?! [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] Can anybody explain to me how a non-Tolkienite generates the idea that LOTR has occult refrences? __________________ I'm so hungry, I could eat at Arby's.

02-06-2003, 05:59 PM	#2
Evenstar1069 Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 15	I'm not quite sure, maybe the same way they think Harry Potter promotes hate? I think it's probably all those really oppiniated people who think the world should think like them. But then I've been told there is also bible refrences in LOTR but I don't see those either. Maybe it's just the way different things mean something different to different people. __________________ Here you will dwell, bound to your grief, under the fading trees

02-06-2003, 07:06 PM	#4
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Really, all these mutterings about books like LotR and the Harry Potter series promoting devil worship are quite beyond me. I've heard and understood the arguments on Harry Potter, although I don't agree with them. But I can't begin to understand how anyone can suggest the same about LotR. Frankly, it's absurd. And, from what I've seen, there are many committed Christians on this site who are also devoted Tolkien fans and see their beliefs mirrored in his works. And anyway, I heard that the Pope gave Harry Potter his blessing. And he should know - he's supposed to be God's representative on earth, isn't he? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-06-2003, 08:50 PM	#6
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	Yeah, I had another friend who thought that the LOTR:FOTR was demonic, but it was not as demonic as Harry Potter (who she said was against her religion to read), though she was kind of weird (we knew she had serious learning disabilities) she basically went by the stance that it has wizards, so it has magic and thus it is bad. I never got her point of view though, I think their is nothing wrong with the books. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

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02-06-2003, 06:08 PM	#3
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	You know, I went through the same thing with my principle at school. {You can read all about it on a topic called LOTR banned in this section of the Barrow-Downs.} I think peopl just look at Harry Potter and say, "ooh, magic, it must be satan worshippers". Then they see LOTR and it says something about a wizard and fantasy so they think the same thing. Most people who are against it are just too ignorant or too lazy to pick up the book and read it themselves. Your sister on the other hand, if she was being that much of a hipocrite by going but saying you can't cause it's bad, maybe she just has this evil plot against you or something. Lol. But hey, I have 3 sisters, I know how they can be. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]