What's the Big Deal With the Undying Lands? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

04-23-2004, 03:54 PM

Aman is like Heaven, but its not Heaven. It's only limited to immortals and a few mortals who are deemed worthy by the Valar. When Men die they journey to the Halls of Mandos, which isn't in Aman.

Atlantis and Numenor do have similar backgrounds. As for Avalon-Avallonë, pretty obvious.

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-23-2004, 07:45 PM

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When Men die they journey to the Halls of Mandos, which isn't in Aman.

The Halls of Mandos are in Aman. Elves (and, according to their own beliefs, Dwarves) go there when they die. After a period of time (depending on their deeds), their spirits leave and they are, in effect, "re-born". Men go beyond the Circles of the World when they die. Their fate is not known.

haltred · 05-06-2004, 05:00 PM

I think that the "Undying lands " has paralells in greek mythology -Atlantis
in celtic mytholgy the many coloured land
and yes in Pardise as in Christian Muslim and Jewish beliefs.
Now was this intention on Tolkiens part ? One wonders and I am unsure we will ever know . But it does make for interesting speculation.

Legolas · 05-06-2004, 06:02 PM

It's definitely not the after-earth paradise of Christianity - it is an 'immortal' place so long as the world exists and a very peaceful, beautiful refuge, but only that. The 'paradise' of Christianity is corresponds more to the fate of Men - to move beyond the confines of the world to be with their creator. Heaven is explicitly not part of earth, past, present, or future; furthermore, it is the home of the creator - Aman is definitely not.

05-06-2004, 05:00 PM	#3
haltred Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Victoria BC Canada Posts: 20	I think that the "Undying lands " has paralells in greek mythology -Atlantis in celtic mytholgy the many coloured land and yes in Pardise as in Christian Muslim and Jewish beliefs. Now was this intention on Tolkiens part ? One wonders and I am unsure we will ever know . But it does make for interesting speculation. __________________ In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit

05-06-2004, 06:02 PM	#4
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	It's definitely not the after-earth paradise of Christianity - it is an 'immortal' place so long as the world exists and a very peaceful, beautiful refuge, but only that. The 'paradise' of Christianity is corresponds more to the fate of Men - to move beyond the confines of the world to be with their creator. Heaven is explicitly not part of earth, past, present, or future; furthermore, it is the home of the creator - Aman is definitely not. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

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04-23-2004, 03:54 PM	#1
Incanus Guest Posts: n/a	Aman is like Heaven, but its not Heaven. It's only limited to immortals and a few mortals who are deemed worthy by the Valar. When Men die they journey to the Halls of Mandos, which isn't in Aman. Atlantis and Numenor do have similar backgrounds. As for Avalon-Avallonë, pretty obvious.