Magic vs. Power

[burrahobbit]

Burrahobbit, its more like a natural ability than a learned skill

Abilities can be developed or neglected in the same way that learned skills can be developed or neglected.

So what you are saying is that even though they are not the same thing, they are actually the same thing.

A cobbler has the skill to make shoes but just as easily could have learned the skills necessary to make horse-shoes.

You see, what the cobbler actually has is a natural ability to swing his arms about, and he has honed and developed this natural ability to be able to pound nails into the soles of shoes, and to cut leather, and to put them all together just right. It's all founded on his natual arm-swinging ability.

In the end it was the word chosen by the author.

I’m looking for a witch’s brew in the corpus, but can’t find one. If you know of one please let me know.

Orc-draught surely must be made of something unpleasant.

Can you give me the words of that spell?

No. Why should I be able to? Gandalf says that he uses spells, that is good enough for me. Im not trying to show what the words to the spells are, only there there were spells.

Most "spells" are just words in elvish that say "door open" if you read the elvish they used for the movie when Arwen is at the river she is just using normal elvish to tell the river (which if we are going to go that far we could say Ulmo) to wash away the ringwraiths.

So? Do you know anything about magic? It used to be that when people used "magic words" they were just using "normal" latin, like Arwen was using "normal" Elvish. (Also, using the movie to prove your point doesn't help, Tolkien didn't write that.)

It is insinuated throughout the whole LOTR world that it is not an occult type magic/power but a divinely given by Illuvitar natural power.

So why isn't that magic?

When Tolkien rights the word "spells" in his book does it mean that Gandalf spent years in Valinor reading spellbooks and such?

I once knew every spell in all the tongues of Elves Men or Orcs, that was used for such a purpose. I can still remember ten score of them without searching in my mind.

My whole point is that there is very little "magic" magic in the LOTR.

Equivocation is my favorite, I think.

If elves could be representations of angels

Can't.

And it is only given to the elves [angels] and not to the likes of man

See above.

is one's own part in the music

Only the singers have a part in the music. Men and Elves did not sing.