Frodo at Sammath Naur

[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

I still think that part of Frodo said no, just like any other ringbearer save Sauron. To me, it it just that the part of Frodo that was saying no was blocked by the desire for the ring. He's not fully corrupted, but the side of the ring is in control or the ring itself is in control. It's very complicated and no one knows, we can only guess and assume. But none of the decision is Frodo's, I believe it is the ring's decision. It's really hard to tell, I'll have to think about it some more.

Shippey's idea is interesting, however, I disagree with him on on the arrangement of words.

It is also interesting that Frodo does not say, "I choose not to do," but "I do not choose to do."...the choice is made for him.

'I choose not to do,' does mean it is that person's choice. And, 'I do not choose to do,' means that he (Frodo) is choosing not to. Because he can only choose to do, and if he doesn't choose that, then he's choosing his only other choice, not to do. I can see how the two different wordings seem to have different meanings, I could see myself doing the same. And it all comes down to the arrangment of them, but they still keep the meaning.

Now that doesn't mean that Frodo chose to do what he did, I agree that he didn't. However the reason why is not because of that wording, but because of the ring. I believe that the ring was taking control of Frodo. The ring dominated Frodo's mind, so I believe that Frodo objected, he had no say in that choice. What Frodo wanted to do, that part, was too weak compared to the ring, or at least the ring at that moment.

This is a very interesting topic. The information we have is very vague, based on a few paragraphs or less. But I'll leave with a question. It is very similar to Carrun's, but even the slightest change of words and arrangments can have different meanings, as we have seen through Shippey's idea. So here it is: Was it the ring talking and choosing, Frodo talking and choosing, or a mixture of both? Or was it Sauron talking (through the ring or Frodo)?

Carrun, if you feel that this is off topic at all, tell me. Thanks for listening.