Tolkien themes (1) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 12-26-2002, 04:26 AM

I think that there are some themes that Tolkien embedded into his works. Here's one: everybody must lose something in order to gain something. Now, I first though of htis in a thread called In praise of Sam's Pans. Read it if you want to read a more in depth explanation. One example is Sam losing his pans to carry on with the quest. And Orual pointed out that Arwen lost her immortality to gain love, and Pippin/Merry lost innocence to help save the world (I think to gain wisdom too).

And also, sometimes when you win, you lose. Its sort of the same as the one above, but slightly different.

Do you agree? And if so, can you think of any other examples; the more specific, the better. Try to expand on it.

[ December 26, 2002: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ]

12-26-2002, 04:26 AM	#1
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Tolkien themes (1) I think that there are some themes that Tolkien embedded into his works. Here's one: everybody must lose something in order to gain something. Now, I first though of htis in a thread called In praise of Sam's Pans. Read it if you want to read a more in depth explanation. One example is Sam losing his pans to carry on with the quest. And Orual pointed out that Arwen lost her immortality to gain love, and Pippin/Merry lost innocence to help save the world (I think to gain wisdom too). And also, sometimes when you win, you lose. Its sort of the same as the one above, but slightly different. Do you agree? And if so, can you think of any other examples; the more specific, the better. Try to expand on it. [ December 26, 2002: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ] __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie