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Old 11-28-2012, 04:08 PM   #8
Legate of Amon Lanc
A Voice That Gainsayeth
 
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Originally Posted by Rhod the Red View Post
Saruman was head of the White Council at the time, but Beren had no way of knowing whom Saruman really represented (the Valar). Nor
do we know why he cleared him access. While there's
the voluntary possibility, it's also possible he used his 'voice' power
on Beren too.
Saruman certainly was a charismatic figure from the start, so that surely might have played its role, but let's bear in mind that Saruman, at that point, was still "good", I would say as much good as it goes still, so he would not use his voice intentionally to manipulate the people. Probably. I mean, I would believe he wasn't still in the stage to "misuse power", or not on any conscious scale. It depends how you define his "voice", if you mean by it simply his charisma and personal rhetorical skill which he uses unconsciously, naturally, then yes, but I would not imagine he would "use Jedi Mind Trick" or "cast a Charm Person spell" (to borrow illustrative examples) for the sake of getting Orthanc. Remember also the situation: Gondor had lost its garrison in Isengard, it didn't have manpower to spare, giving it to an ally with the reputation of Saruman was almost certainly one of the best things to do even from the Steward's point of view. So no need for coerce or mind tricks.
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