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Old 02-25-2012, 12:28 PM   #11
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Okay - on general evaluation of what's happened toDay, I am growing steadily more suspicious of Shasta. It's not about his way of arguing, which is faulty in many ways (like many have already mentioned - e.g. the "Eonwe was not suspected yesterDay enough..." I can vouch for myself that I indeed had suspected him, and I recall there were many others) - that does not necessarily say anything about guilt; but mostly the fact that he had pushed for a second lynch going at the same point yesterDay with Steve, therefore threatening to threaten him (to make a double lynch).
Pitch also sums this up quite nicely from only slightly different angle:

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That said, I must say I don't like Shasta's suggestion from yesterDay to lynch the putative Acolyte before Nog, because it would have left Nog's role, and thus the truth of Eönwë's dream, uncertain for another Day, giving the wolves time to concoct an emergency strategy, while risking to lynch an innocent instead. I can't see how that would have been helpful to anybody but the wolves.
With the arguing, it's not as much about the content, but the sort of stubborn form - or, in fact, there is also one of the argued-over issues: the Acolyte thing - still trying to make us convince that the Acolyte must be evil, which is not necessarily true by any means.

Not sure what to make of Boro, I am currently at loss about the whole subject, and he's incredibly wordy which makes it difficult to find any orientation. I still need to make up my mind about Inzil, what makes him better in my book is first his reaction to Eönwë - I think a Wolf would at least have tried whether he could not have been lynched (or mistrusted), the complete unquestioned trust wasn't also nothing special, of course - might have been that Inzil knew (as a Wolf) that Steve is innocent and thus knew to trust him... but then again also some of his latter posting does not look as bad. So I am not sure, sort of undecided about him currently.

Generally I agree with Pitch on a lot of things, only this (in regards to Inzil):
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But don't you see that your reluctance to discuss the Acolyte could make people wonder whether you had any personal stakes in the matter? And your complete silence when Rikae challenged you on it could be seen as telling in its own way.

Maybe you aren't in fact the Acolyte, but don't you see how somebody could get the idea?
I think this is a bit of a stretch. If the question of Acolyte keeps being pushed on Zil (I don't recall even where exactly it started, but in any case, it hasn't left him since then), then of course it gets annoying and you don't want to talk about it. So this particular point... not really.

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Now I'm really getting annoyed. Apparently everything I say or do is going to be suspicious to someone. Also, Pitch, this is crap. Eonwe wasn't that suspected, there was no reason for an Eonwe-wolf to self-destruct by fake-revealing on D2. Therefore, he was legit, his dream on Nog was legit, and at the time it was very likely (to me, apparently, but not to anyone else) that there was going to, again, be a second kill on N2, which I wanted to prevent. This bit about "wolves concocting an emergency strategy" is rubbish, as evidenced by the nine votes on Nog yesterday.
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The main reason it caught my eye, actually, is how Legate can post well-thought-out points like this and at the same time be as wildly off-kilter as he has been? My overall conclusion on this is while the point makes him look slightly better, the dichotomy makes him look worse.
Isn't it rather the sign of an innocent to have conflicting opinions about something? I mean, innocents, in contrary to some others, have no information whom to trust. I suspected Eönwë before, but I tried to post with the best intentions in mind, just as now. If you are following a certain pattern you set for yourself like a Wolf (e.g. "I will suspect person X, then I switch to person Y, then I will try to make the village lynch Z"), you usually post very "consistently" in the sense that all the time, the main intention sort of "behind" your behavior can be tracked as: "Yes, he wanted to lynch X." With innocent, the intention behind all the behavior should not be "He wanted to lynch X or Y", but "He wanted to do what was the best for the village from his current perspective." That's what I am doing. That's what I also often get suspected for.

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Popping in for a second:

What does everyone think about me revealing the Ordo? When is the right time?
What I suggested previously: sometime late evening European time. Before you go to sleep, because then Americans will vote. Some people might vote earlier (Greenie often votes early, I have noticed), so might be even let's say in a couple of hours. Your call. I suggest letting post at least once most of the people first, but then whenever.

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Maybe the Acolyte, being a "follower" or "learner" may make Option C the most likely, but it's still only speculation.
That option actually sounded very much likely to me. I'm quite willing to consider that as the real role of the Acolyte. Quite a lot, in fact. Because it makes perfect sense.

EDIT: x-ed with Sally and onwards
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