[Inziladun]

Day 1:

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Originally Posted by Ozban

Greenie, great job summarizing what everyone knows already. We know nothing, whatever the reason their (meant Lottie and Shasta of course) exchange had, we can't know. Unless they care to explain. I keep wondering what led you to writing such a list...

First post. Yes, what Greenie summarised about the Shasta / Lottie deal wasn't much of a revelation, but I still don't see anything wrong with it.

Originally Posted by Ozban

And yes, traitor/cobbler can be anybody, possibly one of those Cobb-hunt theoretists. Again, we know not.

For my part: that Lottie-shasta conversation was most likely just a random recon. Wouldn't make too much fuzz around it.

Dismisses the whole thing as "random recon". What exactly does that mean?

Originally Posted by Ozban

Pitch:

I hope you are not gonna change the history records. Would be troublesome you know, not that suprising though.

Legate: I'm so glad we (more like Nerwen) convinced you about importance of cobbler, I'm so glad you won't be "ignoring" him.


You know it would be a shame, ignoring threat of cobbler completely. On the other hand, from what i got, Cobbler tends to fall into pit by himself, we are just the pendulum. I wouldn't really assign any high priority to finding him. Just get rid of him eventually when he is revealed.

Aye, the false-reveal scenarios are dangerous, but is such a theory really worth such a witch-hunt? We are starting from the scratch. Without information of any sort we will probably witness several innocent die before we find a real cobbler.

Let's find WWs. That should be our priority. One point I'll agree on with Legate.

Can't really find fault with that bit.

Originally Posted by Ozban

My friends, what is happening to you? Yesterday's friends turning suspicious at the first sign of danger. Shall we abandon all we were because of that damned Wolf Lord reigning these dungeons? Stand up for what you are, hold on to what we were through. Hunting wolves, we put our lives on the line many times. We relied on each other, now you seem forgeting our bonds. If there are traitors among us, we will find them, whatever the cost. But let's not accuse others without any solid evidence. "Yet hope remains while the Company is true." as Lord Felagund would say. And furthermore, I can't stand the thought of Sauron's amusement when he sees us turning on each other.

This strikes me as odd, but maybe it's just an innocent IC effort. Still, it almost sounds like a lupine "C'mon guys, let's get those wolves!" spoken in Tolkien-like prose.

Originally Posted by Ozban

I'm not convinced either. Neither that you are WW, neither that you aren't.



And do you really think someone would cease to suspect you because you disagree with them? Wouldn't convince me at least.



I'm terribly sorry to disappoint you Boro but I'm actualy male.



Aye Legate! You just uncovered our tactical masterpiece.

Some back-and-forth with Pitch and Boro. Legate noted that Boro's mistake about Ozban's gender was an old wolf-ploy between mates. No way to know here.

Originally Posted by Ozban

Fair thought, There are quite a few "submarinish" guys out there. That's surely worth considering. Don't they have time? Or they just stay low purposefully?

Oh screw it! this is too much for my mind to analyze.

Response to Nog.

Originally Posted by Ozban

It may be stupid, or completely out of the league, but...

+ + Legate

To clarify, which I feel I should, at least rudimentary:
I can't be sure of anybody. Eventhough Shasta and Lottie seem strange, mostly that Shasta's opinions of Pitch which seem to strangely fluctuate, (ad. Glirdan's post above).
Legate attacks, but always leaves himself some "escape path", he's too eager to back down. He does seem to try not to offend anyone. Eventhough it's not what I mean exactly, He's way too agreeable (or alibistic, your choice).

Anyway, my sixth sense tells me to vote for him.

A vote for Legate, which seemed rather out of the blue. I didn't pick up on the "sixth sense" remark at the time. Setting the stage for a false Seer-claim, maybe? Hmm. He's new, so it's impossible to tell if the phrasing is usual for him.

Day 2:

Originally Posted by Ozban

Legate I have been voting in synch with my conscience. Eventhough my vote can't accomplish anything, I won't hide in the crowd, I'm not such a hypocrite. I'm not afraid to speak up and fight for what i believe.

As for the ranger, Te Saluto!

And cause everything is said,
Oz retires to his bed.

Good night, fellow corpses.

The first part was responding to Legate, who'd said of Oz's vote the day before:

I must say that wilwa seemed okay to me from those people who voted randomly - she sounded genuinely frustrated, while Ozban sort of stood out as the negative example - he voted while there was no real chance of lynching me, and was doing it in the sort of "normal" way, as if his vote could still accomplish something, but most of all with the sort of "alibistic" style the Wolves sometimes have, saying "my hands are clean from the blood of this one".

The vote did look like a "hands clean" thing, but he certainly was direct and confident with his explanation.

Originally Posted by Ozban

After reading whole thread through again, I tend to suspect Lottie. Especially his toDay's posts sound crooked. Then again, I'd say that if Lottie'd be a wolf, she wouldn't cast a vote first. And even without any firm accusation, just a "gut-feeling"? Such an approach seem to risky for a wolf to try it.

Hmm. Just saw this. Mixed up Lottie's gender, but then got it right in the same paragraph? Odd.

Originally Posted by Ozban

I'm not really fond of Legate either, he's still seems somehow... someone described it as "too smooth". His toDay's post did fix his reputation partly, but I shall still observe him closer than the others.

Pitch never sounded wolfish, but that scenario of him being dreamt unnerves me. eventhough it seems to me more likely, that Nerwen was dreamt about. From Shasta's formulation of his trust towards her... Still can't now. (Actually I begin to think it's motto of this whole game: Do something when you know nothing.)

Legate seems a bit better to him, though he'll still "observe him closer". Also thinks Nerwen more likely to have been Shasta's dream. As it looks now, she almost certainly was, but that surely didn't appear to be the most likely scenario to me at the time.

Originally Posted by Ozban

Those last two votes, Nog n Greenie, are quite suspicious. Reading through Nog's posts, he remains active, but refrains from attacking anybody. Now I'd really need comparison with some of his older games, whether it's totaly normal or not.


This speaks for him though, doesn't it?

Serching for traces of some manipulation, as Nerwen suggested, I tend to think that it wasn't Nog's doing. I'm convinced though, that among Shasta-voters were at least one, more likely two wolves.

If there has been any silent intrigues, I'd say that Zil and Gilr were most active at accusing pauvre Seer. It may be genuine, of course, but in a way it seem too concentrated on Shasta, leaving Lottie out, why? Cover?

Also...

What the hell???
I don't know. Seems too carefree, too crowd-loving if you know what I mean.

And...

Same.

In the end Eönwë was only one of us that defended Shasta. For that he has my trust. As much as is possible in this game.

Truth is, sadly I know none of you, in-game at least. So it's hard to guess peoples intentions, without comparision with their previous styles.

He didn't like the manner in which skip and Greenie voted, thinking it was "carefree" and "crowd-loving". If I get his meaning, I would agree about skip's but not necessarily Greenie's. Then thought Eönwë was trustworthy for defending Shasta? Why was that? If I recall correctly, Shasta was done for by the time Steve got there. Standing up for Shasta at that point was meaningless.

Originally Posted by Ozban

X'ed previous with Wilwa.

You seem quite bloodthirsty ya know?
Your logic is sound though.
Is it your Lupine hunger?
About that we should ponder.
Or you may really fear for your skin.
In that case, we shall protect your kin.
Considering danger upon our head,
we need now more to be said.
Only then we may truth discern,
And to Nargothrond return.

Later...

Hmm. Poetry. Seems odd, but maybe he just does this. It's hard to judge with a new player.

Originally Posted by Ozban

++Pitchwife

Got to hurry now, so I won't explain myself entirely. Simply it's too stupid to let it get away.

Won't probably be back before DL.

Choose wisely.

Later...

Votes Pitch, despite saying earlier he thought Nerwen was probably Shasta's dream. He left the door open for Pitch in that same post, granted.

Day 3"

Originally Posted by Ozban

Reading through all that is surely puzzling. I've had few Legate-180s.
Thing is that there is still eleven of us, 3 puppies, 1 traitor, a hunter and 6 ordo's.

From what I think:

trust: Nog
Nerwen
Eonwe

suspects: Legate
Skip
Inzil
Lottie

Puzzled by: Boro
Wilwa

Greenie is somehow quiet, or so it seems, but i don't have anything against her.

I'll be here later in the afternoon. So I'll try to sum more then.

Later...

Has Legate, skip, me, and Lottie for his "suspect" list.

Originally Posted by Ozban

What a "funny" thought.

I really like Skip's posts analyzing Legate. And I tend to vote for him today. First he openly doubts Pitch's furryness. And than he washes his hands, by voting Lottie.
Same he did the day before. He made his case against her, never wavered (that itself looks weird, considering lack of any evidence). Truth is, that his second Lottie-vote might have been just a rushed, it was first vote on second lynch, and Leg was going off, but it more likely was calculated move, because Pitch's lynching was unavoidable, and it's much better-looking this way than, propeling secong wagon in a row.

Interesting. Opens the door for voting Legate, and now is quite happy with skip seemingly, despite having him in the "suspect" category the previous post. And Oz himself "doubted Pitch's furriness" by saying Nerwen was likely Shasta's dream and that Pitch "never sounded wolvish".

Originally Posted by Ozban

He didn't vote for Shasta actually (D1), but he started discussion that led to it, and then he voted Lottie, but not sooner than first Shasta-vote was cast (by Lottie actually)

I just don't trust him, I will probably vote for him if something big doesn't happen.

Later...

Originally Posted by Ozban

This is called Silence before the storm...

Might seem a bit flippant, there.

Originally Posted by Ozban

Hilarious But joining in crossed my mind too.

I have other options though, especially you!

Ok. Responds to Legate saying he was considering joining the bandwagon for skip. Back to suspecting him, again?

Originally Posted by Ozban

+ + Legate

Can't help myself, but to find him treacherous. I have repeated my reasons several times. So I'll refrain from doing it again.

First vote for Legate. We know how that turned out.

Originally Posted by Ozban

Time's running out, lightning was seen, thunder's to be heard any moment.

Originally Posted by Ozban

Kid? you are about 4 months older than me!!

Banter with Wilwa.


Day 4

Originally Posted by Ozban

I feel really bad, I blame myself for the Legate's death. Now there are nine of us left, four of that Bad-guys. We really are screwed.

Let's go all out: there's not much option left, is there? I got nothing to lose anyway, everything i did was wrong so far. And this is the only day to save the game.

During yesterDay my opinion on Legate has risen significantly. I was able to belive, that he was innocent. It was my personal-180, can't list any specific reasons, but just the change in his style caught my attention and than I reconsidered.
In that moment I started looking for wolves elsewhere, Skip being my first new choice.
After first votes were cast I was convinced that Skip's fate is sealed and evethough I deemed him a wolf, I opted not to join the wagon. My reasons were:

a) I seemed obvious that he'll be lynched even without my contribution.
b) I wanted to lay low, not to draw much attention from hairy side.
c) And finally, as I was convinced of Skip's furriness, I wanted to give puppies a tempting offer whom to vote, to try to save their comrade. I wanted to lure them to a "trap", having them to reveal their desire to save Skip. Skip cast vote for Legate right after and that sealed my suspicion of him.

I already mentioned this earlier, but three votes, with many left to go, doesn't seem to be a surefire lynch on someone you think is a wolf. And he was "convinced of skip's furriness" despite using skip's analysis as a reason to suspect Legate again?

Originally Posted by Ozban

Things turned out different, unfortunately. And what shocked me most was Inzil's vote. Last moment Skip-saviour. That stroke me as wolf pulling wolf out of the trouble at the last moment. Until reading skip's toDay's post I was convinced that they are wolves together, not knowing who the third is wasn't of much importance, eventhough I had few candidates.

Now I realize that my plan was naive at best, I did not consider Skip's eventual innocence. He must not be necesarily innocent though, his hunter-claim is hardly a proof. And my theory can still apply, I'm not that sure about it anymore, though.

I know this what i described can look false, It's a fragile construction, I realize that. Furthermore I got no proof on the matter, but please, consider it at least.

If someone can bring any light as to Skip's innocence/guilt, please do.

Damn It!! My head's gonna explode. That is, unless I drown in my pesonal sea of shame.

Originally Posted by Ozban

It was three against one and public opinion was favoring Skip as the beast, as I said, I was being naive. But I was so certain of my reasoning at that moment, not so much now.

Explains his "mistakes" as naïveté. Yet he's seemed to be very at home and savvy to the game, for a newbie. I don't know if he's played WW before, but he surely doesn't act like he's new.

Conclusions: Some concerns could be written off as personality quirks, but there's been a deal of inconsistancy too. I'm rather worried about him, at the moment.