[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, we lost our Seer, but it's not over yet, folks. We can still win this, unless you've given up?

This must be the single most wolvish-looking sentence for toDay.

Originally Posted by Inzil

I was a bit concerned yesterDay with the way Wilwa seemed to be hanging on Sally's every word, and making what appeared to be a concerted effort to appear helpful and innocent.

I do agree. And not only that, but also trying to get an innocent lynched with all her effort...


But as I see there are many voicing the idea (late yesterDay and toDay) that I'm one of the top candidates I think some speaking of sense would be in place to begin with.

Originally Posted by Inzil

However, I think Nog looks worse than she at this point. I noted the way he seemed unwilling to take the hint from Sally that he should vote Izzy, needing a full admission from Sally about her dream before voting for her, even though he had thrown out some weak suspicion of Izzy. Sally had obviously not wanted to reveal the dream just yet, and it's hard for me to see someone as perceptive as Nog missing the hints.

Well I think I have a few things to say on this issue...

First of all, how did this thought of us knowing Sally had dreamt a wolf come from? At least to me it was not obvious and I didn't find it even now looking back the thread.

Sally said in her first post as an answer to alona's question "any luck dreaming of a wolf?" the following (boldings mine):

Originally Posted by Sally

As a matter of fact I might have. However....
Since toDay may be my last Day -again- I'd like to leave you lot a bit of something to chew on. That being said, I will reveal my dream(s) at the end of the Day. With the information I have (or even without it) we've nearly a 50/50 chance of lynching a wolf, which will greatly increase our chances of winning.

To me and my understanding of English-language that seems like far from clear she had a wolf. Actually it looks like the contrary - but she was clearly wishing to play games with the wolves (like saying she had two wolves the Day before etc.). So at least I took that as something I couldn't and shouldn't rely on.

But actually that is no big deal - unless some wolves are trying to use wrong information (that we knew she had a wolf) as "evidence" to their fabricated cases against innocents.

If you Inzil, or anyone, go back the thread you see an interesting thing I only realised when Sally revealed Izzy was a wolf. She had suspected me the whole Day quite heavily, but after I had voiced my suspicions on Izzy here and entertained the idea whether I should actually vote her, Sally's tone actually changed. After wilwa rushed on to call me a likely wolf she actually said that:

Originally Posted by Sally

I'm not sure on him yet so I'd rather not vote him toDay. He's said some things these last few posts that make me think he really is innocent.

Now why should that be? Well, in hindsight it looks quite clear: she saw I hit the right target and was thinking of voting her - and I had come to that conclusion without her helping me out with it, so I was an innocent - as I am.

Think carefully: if I was a wolf, I would need to have psychic powers to foresee it would be Izzy whom Sally had dreamt of and then make a case against her before Sally revealed her knowledge, just to look good. So sorry, you're grasping at straws here. Or should I say you're trying to get an innocent lynched on purpose?

Also you say I had made some "weak suspicions" on Izzy as a kind of downplaying of what I said there! Now that's wolf-talk as the wolves are the only ones to know for certain. I was actually a bit proud of myself to have noticed the sneakiness of her post (referred to up here) and to really take it seriously enough to consider voting her, or wilwa who seemed to be too busy trying to convince everyone why I should be lynched.

I had already come to the conclusion earlier that either Izzy or wilwa should be a wolf - or they both are / were (look here for details). But that early thought was based only on speculation on the PM-pairs (no wolf-wolf pair around that is), and as I had seen that many of you were wrong about the pairs (thinking there were no ordo-ordo pairs which I know is false), I had thought I could be wrong too about the pairs. But with Izzy's post and wilwa's willingness they both looked suspicious to me - and kind of confirmed my initial suspicions based on the PM-pairs.

You Inzil also say I was unwilling to "take the hint" from Sally to vote for Izzy! Now let's see what happened.

First of all I (or you) didn't know Sally had a wolf bagged. But she had kept me and Izzy as her two main candidates the first part of the Day - leaning on voting me rather than Izzy. As an innocent that was a sign for me that her open suspicions were as ungrounded as anyone's, so there was no particular reason for me to think she had dreamt of Izzy as she was so wrong with me.

When I had thought of voting Izzy, she said:

Originally Posted by Sally

Nog, Izzy isn't the ranger, so if you need to go to bed she's a safe vote.

That actually just says what it says. If she had no wolf and Izzy was not the ranger or the ordo she had dreamt of, she would say something like that - if she was willing to see how the wolves reacted to the insecurity of her dream (which I think she had in mind). And that's how I took it.

The second "hint" she gave was this (after I had mulled over whether to vote for Izzy or wilwa):

Originally Posted by Sally

If my opinion matters, I'd prefer Izzy. I think Wilwa's probably innocent.

My reaction to that was:

Originally Posted by me

I actually disagree here even if I'm suspecting Izzy as well. Wilwa looks so opportunistic to press for an interpretation I know is not true that it makes me suspect her more (for is she were a wolf that would suit her just perfectly!) - not to talk of her voting I referred to earlier.

Or are you implying Izzy is in fact a wolf?

Then I waited for her to comment on my question, taking that out from my sleep which anyway was getting short... 'nuff said I think.

So Inzil, to borrow your exact words, "it's hard for me to see someone as perceptive as Inzil missing the" points. So do I have to conclude you're one of our last wolves trying to push an already suspected innocent towards the gallows to ensure the wolf-victory? Were you perhaps a bit too overconfident?


Well, I need to think about the last two wolves, but if I'd need to vote right now, I'd say Inzil and wilwa... but I really need to look at the pairs again - as well as the discussion yesterDay after I left. So that may change.