[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

A possible slip, anyway. Not quite on the order of, say, Agan's last game... but I'd certainly be interested to hear Sally's explanation.

Interesting that you should use that as an example, since I was killed by a Nerwen-led wolf pack. I'm just saying.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

As well as looking at those who do not post very frequently, we should look at those who have been away (like Nogrod). And this all verges on the edge of what is fair play and what is playing on out-of-game reasons (it would be easy to start checking who has posted on the 'Downs during the Night phase etc).

Besides, it can also be misleading. Imagine I - a rather active player who was online on the 'Downs yesterday - was a mutineer. The deadline happens to be 7am my time. Imagine my fellows are Americans who have their most active hours after I go to bed in the evening. What do I do? Probably send my suggestions on who to kill to my mates before I go to sleep and trust them to send the kill to the mod. They are all so called not-so-frequently posting people and they miss the kill (say, one is dead, one appears a few hours before the DL, sees the last one hasn't posted, sends a PM and leaves it up to them, and they don't turn up at all because of some unexpected hindrances). Now, by your logic, it would easy to say that I'm not likely someone to miss the kill, although it is exactly what happened in this example scenario. So, summa summarum, no use making hasty conclusions.


Excuse me, gentlemen, but just how on earth do you expect the mutineers to know Rikae's pick?

Mac, you expect the mutineers to have reached the same conclusion about Rikae's possible picks and furthermore, you expect your guesses to be correct. Ever heard of a bluffing hunter? You think too simply for me to be comfortable with you. And you assuming the mutineers to think like you looks like your pack had a nice chat last Night.

Boro - what on earth do you think we gain from knowing whom Rikae really hunted? The mutineers didn't know it either. Whether Rikae really hunted me or just threatened to wouldn't have affected their choice of action, because they had no way of knowing whom Rikae hunted. It doesn't incriminate me any more if Rikae really hunted me or not, what matters is that she threatened to. But there's no way a mutineer-me would have known whether she was bluffing or not, or a mutineer-anyone else would have known it. So, in short, the mutineers couldn't have just acted blindly on the assumption that Rikae hunted me, nor could they have chosen to attack or not attack her based on whom she hunted because they didn't know it.

Huh, you two confuse me.


edit: xed with Rikae

Liked Lommie's thoughts here on the 'quiet people miss the kill' theory. Besides, even the loudest people can miss a kill. Or it could be like the most recent game in which I was a wolf (Lommie's, to be exact) and someone didn't want to send in a kill without checking it over with their mates.

Also, I want to know the same thing; why do people assume that the wolfiekinses could channel Rikae's brain or something? Unless it's Mac that we're talking about, and even then it'd be sketchy.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I thought Rikae was pretty serious it would be sally if she was lynched, and you at night, considering the circumstances she was in and the threat of being lynched. Of course she could have been bluffing the night selection and the mutineers would have no way of knowing who she was really hunting, but if they feared one of their own was someone being hunted they wouldn't want to kill her. If they thought she was hunting an innocent they would. Simple as that.

I took who she said she was going to hunt as not a bluff, and well...maybe the mutineers did too.

It wouldn't be the first time that none of us were...our Cap'n might enjoy watching the loudmouths lynch off eachother after tension builds and the first few days. If you feel I'm innocent, than trust it, don't let your feelings that it's "illogical" that none of the loudmouths are wolves to cloud your judgement of who you feel is innocent or not.

But look at the night kills...Greenie and Eomer, two players who are thoughtful voters, but were less active on this ship. Why wouldn't they kill off the loudmouths, why would they kill off their cover? And look at our lynches...McCaber, Mira, and Annu...how successful have we been? I don't know, maybe the time is right to check one of them. We could end up with some real information if we lynch one of those 3 again.

This will get me in trouble, but I don't care at this point...I wouldn't have passed up a night kill. I would have thought that would exonerate me completely.

But, I should say Lommy, your last post looks pretty innocent because it is so flippy-floppy . If that makes any sense. I could tear it apart for all the inconsistencies in there, but that actually makes you look better.

I'm oddly concerned by all this theorizing about why the wolfies killed Rikae. She lied about her picks so it's conceivable that the wolves picked up on it and knew that she wouldn't be hunting who she said she was. She is Rikae after all.

I dunno about the quiet killing off the loud being so unbelievable either. Isn't that more or less what happened in Gollum's game?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Even if Gwath or Sally is a mutineer? They might have considered it too much of a risk. They couldn't have known for sure who Rikae would pick.

I think it's safe to say that if the baddies failed to send in the kill on purpose, it would mean at least one of those three (Gwath, Lommy & Sally) is probably guilty.

EDIT: X'd since Boro at #450; clarification.

Erm, I think I should be insulted at this, but I'm not sure. So since the baddies forgot to send in a kill Lommie, Gwath, and/or I must be guilty? That makes no sense. I've never missed a kill, ever; I usually try to wait for confirmation that the kill's been sent or I send it myself. This really looks like Nerwen trying to start trouble for the three of us without anything to base it on.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Actually, I was hunting Kath yesterDay. I just wanted to see how people would react to a Sally-kill.

Hmm. I don't really like the way you latch on to the idea that none of us are evil - shows an awful lot of certainty wrt Mac, Nog, etc.

I'd rather lynch Gwath toDay, and try the double-lynch toMorrow.

One reason not to kill anyone... it's been done before.

This isn't really admissable since there's no double lynch, but this is what I meant by lying about her picks; it's probably for the good of the village but people would expect her to be honestly dishonest. Know what I mean?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, at the risk of being Captain Obvious, it certainly looks as if it can't be Gwath and Sally.

Why Kath, though?

Well since I'm dead you know who to go after next then, don't you, precious?

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

or they are dead ala Fea's game where she kept us in the dark...

Heh, heh, I need to read that game again. That was flipping awesome.