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Originally posted by Feanor of the Peredhil
With Gandalf and Pip, that's tougher, because Gandalf had more say in the matter, and made sure his say was heard. But that's sort of like choosing to listen to you grouchy old grandpa because you know that beneath the gruffness, he really cares about you, and has a lot to share that's very interesting and possibly important.
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I see this completely differently. The way I look at it, Pippin doesn't listen to Gandalf because he knows he cares or because he's a fatherly figure or anything of the sort. It seems to me that Pippin only listens to Gandalf because he knows it's best for Frodo. Pippin also realizes that he, alone, wouldn't know what's best for Frodo and the Ring so in order to help, he
must listen to Gandalf.
As for the Arwen point: I don't think she's just rebelling, I was just thinking of it as a possibility. It just seems strange to me, and perhaps psychologically inaccurate, that a child who was so completely under her father's influence could suddenly gain the strength that it took for her to choose to stay.
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Though in the end, Arwen's decision is entirely her own (only because Elrond actually can't make it for her), Elrond tries to convince her otherwise the entire way.
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Which leads more into what I'm saying. Arwen chooses, despite the fact that her father tries constantly to convince her not to, to stay. I guess I'm being repetitive here--I just think that, after being repressed for so long, it would be difficult for her to make such a huge decision right away.