[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

Thanks Heren. (now I know what someone, I can't remember, was talking about when they said 'Heren! Make him come back.', even though that person explained) Seems like an old friend wants you to post more often. Thanks again for the thread, it showed some good points.

Anyways, back to the discussion. Yes, Keneldil, thanks for the quote to back up our side of the discussion.

Orual, you seem to be torn. Let me help you decide. The ring was bound with the life force of sauron. They are linked, and are a part of each other in certain ways. However, the ring was physically separate from sauron and the ring was made, created. It wasn't taken from sauron's mind or body, the ring had to be sort of born, by sauron. It had its ties with sauron, since he is the ring's maker. You yourself came from your mother and your father, but you aren't part of them. You are separate but you are similar in ways. The ring does however have its link to sauron. It is a servant of sauron, sauron is its master. They want to be together, as sauron had originally intended. The ring had part of sauron in it but it was an individual enough to makes its own decisions and think for itself. If you say, 'then if the ring could choose and sort of had its own free will then it would have disobeyed sauron, or it could have chosen differently.' Then I say to you, it could have, but didn't. The ring was completely obedient to sauron. Also the ring wanted to be with sauron. And it was necessary for the ring to be reunited with its master as soon as possible because it probably knew that others wanted it destroyed, and to the ring, that is death.