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Old 04-02-2003, 12:26 AM   #14
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Oh, of course Tolkien was influenced by events in his lifetime. But influences and allegories are two very different things. The first is uncontrolled and Tolkien (or anyone else for that matter) has absolutely no control over, the latter, however, is the choice of the author; he and only he has control over it and any allegory in his work is a choce of his own. However, I think that we all know (if we didn't already) that there are no allegories in LotR.

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know fact (at least here) is that Russia was on the axis side and switched to the allied side.
Actually, Russia was never on the side of the Axis. Russia fought Germany in WWI, but fropped out do to a social revolution which led to the leadership of Stalin and commmunism. In WWII, Russia and Germany did make a non-agression pact, but that does not mean that Russia is a part of the Axis. A (non-agression) pact is short term, and it's only function is to serve as a truce without having actually fought first. If Russia was a part of the Axis, then they would be allies with the Axis, especially Germany, because that's what the Axis was made up of- three countries that had an alliance with each other. An alliance is long term and it is much stronger than a pact. Besides that, Hitler and Stalin hated each other and their own forms of government- facist/communist. They (form of gov't) are very similar, but a line can be drawn between the two.

Well, given all that, why would Russia and Germany form a pact. If Russia was planning on becoming part of the axis, then they would have made an alliance, but they didn't. They made a pact because they needed time, and so did Germany. Read into a history book for more info, but the fact of the matter is that Russia was never a part of the Axis.

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But Rohan could have been parallel to Rohan because they were attaced first and received little aid, thinking Germany their friend until the attack.
Rohan parallel to Rohan. I think you had a typo but meant Russia. And you mean Germany is still Isengard, right? Well, if so, Poland was attacked first, to get to Russia, which would be Rohan.

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i think that the Ents were definitely similar to the USA because we were originally Isolationist and then (after we were encroached upon) became severely ****ed off and shied away from our unhastiness if you will, and attacked.
We never got into WWII because we were encroached upon, and actually, we were never encroached upon before we entered. We got in the war mainly to eliminate the threat of Hitler and facism, and by doing so, eliminateing the threat of Hitler eventually coming after the US.

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