[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

Ok, first off, sorry to The Saucepan Man. I forgot to adress you before I quoted you, I meant no disrespect. I'll edit it. And to everyone else, I mean no disrespect at all when I post. I just get angry is all. So sorry if it ever seems that way.<P>Lush:<P>Yup, once again I have to complain about it <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> If you think Peter Jackson is a "sell-out", then how do you purpose he should have gotten his financing? Maybe you could have pitched in? What's 270 million, right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, he got most of that money from New Line. All New Line wanted was money. They didn't have any real big hits, so they took a risk in investing all that money through PJ. That's how they got it. And PJ, I believe, wanted to get his greedy little hands on some of the profits.<P>Well, I'm glad I didn't contribute any money at all. I definately would not have had I known what PJ would do.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Well, sex sells. Sex has "sold" when we all still lived in caves. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That's one way I view him as a sell out.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> but please don't turn this into some sort of moralist attack on Peter Jackson. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'm sorry, but that is one thing I am doing. I don't intend to show any disrespect to any of you, but when desaling with the 'Arwen' issue, it goes back to PJ. And I don't intend to put all the blame on PJ. Some of it goes out to those money grubbin' hogs at New Line, and a lot goes out to those script-writers. Who were they? I think it was Fran Walsh and some other woman along with PJ. They're lucky PJ is so 'big' that no one notices what they did. I could go on and on and on about why it's their fault, but I'm too tired right now.<P>H.C. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Willie, I think your definition of what is possible is different then Jackson's. I bet he does feel he stayed as close as possible to the books while sticking to his commitment of making as good films as he could for the $300 million that was entrusted to him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, that's one of the problems with teh movie industry today. The directors and the fans are not always on the same page. Maybe he does feel that way, but I believe that he could have done a better job, and could have sticked closer to the books.<P>Lush <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> As for Peter Jackson's "promises," I don't recall him ever saying "I promise" to me, or you, or anyone else. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>and Diamond18<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You know, I don't think he did. At least, I never heard or read him say that. They often said they wanted to capture the spirit of the book. That's kind of intangible, so if they think they did in places you think they didn't, it's more of a difference of opinion than a flat out betrayal. Really, I can't think of a time PJ said, "We're going to stick as close to the book as humanly possible." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, I could have sworn I heard those promises somewhere. I'm not saying I'm right, but I am also not saying I am wrong. I will try very hard to look for them, especially in the extra's of FotR, extended and non-extended. I'm sorry if they never existed, but the way PJ discussed, led me to believe that. I just misunderstood him. BUT, that's only if those promises actually never existed. If they did, then PJ owes me, and many others, a lot. I've been really exhaused and busy lately, so it might be a while before I post on the outcome of my searching.<P>The Saucepan Man<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie, if you are going to quote me, please read all of my posts <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'm sorry, but there were a lot of posts before mine, and I took the time to read each one. But, the later the post is, the less carefully I read. I probably would ahve noticed it if you had adressed it first, by saying something like, "It's not about political correctness.", like you just did. It's just easier for me that way, but once again, I'm sorry.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> No disrespect, but had the films been made in the way that you suggest, they would have been the biggest flops of all time. There are simply not enough people out there who would be willing to sit through six 3 hour films that (even with the necessary omissions) followed the books in every detail. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>What Darkside said.<P>Oh, and thanks to Keeper of Dol Goldur and Darkside for the support. <P>H.C.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> but there isn't enough fans of any book to warrent this kind of money devoted to a film solely for them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I disagree. I believe that there are enough. I mean, wouldn't you? And I'm sure if I asked enough people, they would. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The film had to reach towards those that have not read the books or have only a passing familiarity with them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Then once again, it's for money. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I don't think enjoyment of these films relates to intelligence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't think it is either. The reason I didn't like it was because my expectations were higher, and TTT fell extremely short of them. And TTT wasn't as good as FotR. And PJ said one of his goals was to make each movie better than the next. So when he says that, I expect TTT to be better, but it wasn't.<P>Ok, can someone tell me what they mean by Tolkien selling the movie rights? Did J.R.R.Tolkien himself actually sell it, or was it a family member? Please help.