[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

HCIsland<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You can't give a character a scene like that in a movie and the have him drop off the planet. It doesn't work. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually it does work. Caracters can, and have been dropped off like that. The are minor characters and only needed for their parts. They should know their role. And why do you think they can't do that? Because it's Liv Tyler? If that's the reason, then that's disgusting because they are using Liv Tyler to advertise their movie, which I believe is extremely wrong, And I also believe is for money. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> This is not about political correctness. This is about the differences between celluloid and the printed page. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It's not about political correctness as you have said, but it's really about money fo you think about it. Extending Arwen's role like that will expand the female audiences and in turn make mor money.<P>mollecon<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Some people simply do not comprehend that there is a difference (sometimes big) between telling a story by the film media & by a novel - they want the book on the screen, scene by scene, chapter by chapter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>"they want the book on the screen, scene by scene, chapter by chapter." That's exactly what I want, but you and HC have to realize that the difference between books and films is in an entirely different situation here. The thing is that PJ made promises. He said that he wouldn't make unnecessary changes and that he would stick as closely to the book as possible. He broke both of those promises. SO if he had not promised that, I would not care that much, but since he promised us, and didn't keep those promises, I am extremely aggrivated and offended. I was promised a lot more, so I expected a lot more, but I didn't get that. That is one feeling I hate; getting your hopes up and having them shattered. I hate being tricked and decieved like I was with TTT, and even parts of FotR. And, "they want the book on the screen, scene by scene, chapter by chapter.", well that's what I wanted, and I do realize you don't always get what you want. I didn't care that much about The Old Forest, Tom Bombadil, and The Barrow Downs (my favorite part) being left out. Why? Because it wasn't all that important, and it wasn't twisted and transformed, like the did in many parts of TTT film.<P>Eruantalon <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Come on guys look at the screen time she would have had if she didn't take some ones place.In FotR she would have had much less time on screen.Also unless I am mistaken she is one of the main charctors. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, it doesn't matter how much screen time she wouldn't get. That's the way it should have been. She didn't deserve that screen time; it wasn't her's. And you are mistaken, Arwen is most definately not one of the main characters.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How else could PJ have gotten that much of her story started with out putting her in there. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>How? HOW? <B>I'll tell you how!</B> He could have followed the book a lot closer, especially like he promised us (which he broke, I 'll add). Besides, how do you think Tolkien got the story started off? If you want to know, then read the books (I'm not saying you haven't). My point is that Arwen was not needed; she was an unnecessary change. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It doesn't change the fact that these are the greatest movies of all time.From how they where made to how they come across on the screen. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Umm....don't start to confuse fact with opinion. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> So if he does things that arn't in the book.You have to understand. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Understand what? That the way he did it was the only way? Well, it is not the only way. He could have left some parts out, rather than turn them into his own Frankenstiens. You have to understand that he broke promises and changed things that were totally unnecessary. The only thing I can see that it was necessary for was money, and if it truly was, then PJ is a sell-out.<P>The Saucepan Man<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> There is simply no way that you could make three 3 hour films (or even one 2 hour film) for an audience today without having any more than one "active" female character. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>PJ could have just done it without an "active" female character. It is possible. So, you disagree with HC about political correctness? Well, I hate to sound like a broken record but, if this is why Arwen's role was extended, then it's for money and PJ is a sell-out.<P>Diamond18 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> just because he was replaced by a female <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I have to disagree with that. Maybe some are, but I am upset because PJ made a promise but did not keep it. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I read someone once say that the Bashki cartoon was better because it had Legolas replace Glorfindel. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think maybe why it was better was because you were going to see Legolas through out the rest of the movie anyways. And it wasn't like Legolas rode with Frodo to the ford in Bakshi's film, that is a minor change, but when PJ does it, I could just imagine Arwen saying, "female power," or something like that. I really don't want to get into a big argument about feminism, so I'll just leave it alone.<P>Finiel <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> PJ is such a good businessman. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Exactly. It was just for the money $$$$$$$$$$$$$<P>Melephelwen <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> they were aware that it wouldn't work to introduce a character for, say, 3 scenes (Glorfindel) and then completely leave him behind, move on and introduce a new one (Arwen) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It could work, and that was just a lousy excuse. They could have clearly showed that Glorfindel was just on an errand. They didn't need to have Arwen there.<P>maikafanawen <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> any movie longer than two hours must have a romance theme. MUST. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It doesn't have to. Myabe it does for you you to enjoy it, but that doesn't mean it has to. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It all comes together in the end. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, but the end products will be different. And I will notice, and I will hate it.<p>[ January 28, 2003: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ]