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Old 06-17-2003, 04:02 PM   #6
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Noxomanus:

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it's often stated the Ring worked by letting the bearer think he could control it's power or by clinging on the greatest power of the wearer.
I personally don't think this is the case,but rather that the Ring worked by what the bearer desired.
Well, it worked both ways. They are both trickery and deceit. And they are both linked together. You can't really say the ring has just one aspect to how it works because there are many. "The ring will let the bearer think that the bearer can use it to achieve its wants and desires." I think that sounds better and is more accurate. Do you see what I mean?

Aule:

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Probably also of his paranoia,wich made him desire to be invisible
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But it also made Bilbo, Frodo and Sam invisible. They were not paranoid at all. Even in the relative safety of the shire they would still become invisible.
I think what Noxomanus was saying there was that the ring gave Gollum invisibility because that was partly what he desired. His paranoia led him to that desire, but you don't have to be paranoid to have that desire. I'm not even sure if Gollum was paranoid, and the ring always gives out invisibility to a bearer who seems to desire something, but all that is another story. I don't think that Noxomanus was saying that you have to have paranoia to be invisable when wearing the ring.

The X Phial:

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he was too weak to make much use of it
I'm not so sure of Gollum being too weak. I think that if things had turned out differently, he could have made a lot of use out of it, and not for good.

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The thing that is unique about hobbits is that they don't have much of a ruling, hierarchical structure. No king of their own, no real rules except common sense and mutual respect. This could be why the domination aspect of the ring didn't work on them in the same way.
It was their simplicity. They did not care for very much at all outside their land. They were isolated and protected. They didn't care about power, instead, they liked big meals and nice pipe weed. They were simple.

Noxomanus:

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I don't think the Dwarves desired power,they desired wealth
Wealth and power go hand in hand.
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