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Old 08-12-2008, 05:29 AM   #1
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I have no idea ...

I have no idea what I'm doing here. I didn't plan this. But this drunkenness has to stop. Maybe it was at the Dancing Pony. Whatever. My soul lies somewhere else and I intend to end up there. If I break out of this prison of drunks I'm sure, with some help, I can find my way home. I know there will be storms on the horizon, avalanches in the abyss, and Night Riders. But I have nothing to lose now. I just want to go home.
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Old 08-12-2008, 06:48 AM   #2
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I have no idea either. What the...?

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I have no idea what I'm doing here. I didn't plan this. But this drunkenness has to stop. Maybe it was at the Dancing Pony. Whatever. My soul lies somewhere else and I intend to end up there. If I break out of this prison of drunks I'm sure, with some help, I can find my way home. I know there will be storms on the horizon, avalanches in the abyss, and Night Riders. But I have nothing to lose now. I just want to go home.
Er... yes. Quite.
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Old 08-12-2008, 07:15 AM   #3
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Um...WOW!

The poster tried relating his post to LotR, sadly he failed as it's The Prancing Pony, not Dancing!
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:01 AM   #4
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Um...WOW!

The poster tried relating his post to LotR, sadly he failed as it's The Prancing Pony, not Dancing!
No, the Dancing Pony is a rival establishment across the street.
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:50 AM   #5
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I have no idea what I'm doing here.
Hmmmm...this is sounding somewhat Existential, in this case Atheistic Existentialism and the questioning of God's presence in the world. Let's see if this point is carried forward.

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I didn't plan this.
Anxiety, perhaps a bit of dread. Yes, Existential.

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But this drunkenness has to stop.
Ah, a very Sartre-like premise regarding 'bad faith'. Bad Faith is seen as any denial of free will by lying to oneself about one's self and freedom.

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Maybe it was at the Dancing Pony. Whatever.
Hmmm...a divergence. Pantheism perhaps? Worship of nature? Druidical worship of the equine as in the great chalk carving on White Horse Hill?

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The Existential view of intersubjectivity referred to as the 'Other".

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If I break out of this prison of drunks I'm sure, with some help, I can find my way home.
Hmmm...now we're dealing with a more Russian variant of Existentiality, a bit of the Absurd as expressed by Dostoevsky, or perhaps more of a Kafka-esque view of the world as a 'prison of drunks'.

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I know there will be storms on the horizon, avalanches in the abyss, and Night Riders.
Dread is very evident here. The anxiety virtually seethes in this statement.

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But I have nothing to lose now.
Nihilism and existentialism converge as a profound statement on the self.

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By the statement 'I just want to go home', does the author imply he is in a self-imposed exile? Where then did he type this missive? Or having drank the bitter dregs of Existentialism and Nihilism, is he in fact pining for the brighter philosophy of his youth? Perhaps the Leibnizian optimism of 'the best of all possible worlds'? I fear without further dialogue, we are left with conjecture.

In any case, welcome to The Barrow Downs, where drunkeness is a token of liberation and preservation (as in Tolkien's Elvish cordial Miruvor), and not the Nihilistic libation of desperation.***

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Old 08-12-2008, 11:11 AM   #6
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ok... i didn't know BD has suddenly transformed into an existentialist philosophy forum.

seriously now, what the hell--
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Old 08-12-2008, 03:11 PM   #7
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ok... i didn't know BD has suddenly transformed into an existentialist philosophy forum.

seriously now, what the hell--
Well then, given Tolkien's ardent Catholicism, would you prefer the post to be analyzed from the point of view of Boethius' Consolation of Philosophy or Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica? Given his philosophical bent, I think Tolkien would have preferred Boethius (more Platonic than Aristotlean).
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Old 08-12-2008, 03:27 PM   #8
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Umm... I'm confused now. But that isn't uncommon.
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Old 08-12-2008, 04:51 PM   #9
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Wow! I had no idea that I was so exposed. I think I'll retreat to Grimwood. It's the Light you see - kinda dazzles me. Not use to it. Oh, don't think I'm some Bog from Scritzenwold. I'm really quite friendly - when you get to know me.

But I think I better have 'one for the road'.
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Old 08-12-2008, 04:56 PM   #10
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:50 PM   #11
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But I think I better have 'one for the road'.
No don't go.... you have us intrigued now
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Old 08-14-2008, 05:09 AM   #12
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Question my, i never thought...

*digs up old CL 121 notes*

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Well then, given Tolkien's ardent Catholicism, would you prefer the post to be analyzed from the point of view of Boethius' Consolation of Philosophy or Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica? Given his philosophical bent, I think Tolkien would have preferred Boethius (more Platonic than Aristotlean).
So Catholicism=Boethius? Pardon me, I'm Catholic. I don't like Boethius. I think it's kinda a joke--a very flat view of Poetry, by God! The Muses were pagan, they and the arts catered to sensuous and earthly interests, Philosophy is the true medicine of the soul. I don't think Tolkien would have preferred Boethius. I think he'd prefer old Thomas, compared to Boethius: neither the eternity of the world nor the contrary could be demonstrated by pure logic; the bible provides teh necessary authoritative info on that point. The soul is the form of the body (Aristotelian), but the soul is immortal. All in all, his teaching on this matter is closer to Augustine and his Christian Neo-Platonism.

But I think it's to old Augustine he may be most drawn. Augustine's Christian Neo-Platonism (or was it Plotinus'? Help!) said that the universe is hierarchical,

1. Bodies, which are least unified, many, can always be fragmented into parts, can always perish

2. Souls, also fragmented, but not as badly as bodies. Souls are absorbed into bodies; without it they are weak. Unified they are powerful as they turn to contemplate forms in the intellect above

3. Intellect. Eternally and uninterruptedly contemplates the intelligible forms within it and is thus identical with them (intellect=intelligible world)

4. The One. So unified it cannot be articulated.

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Now doesn't it sound a bit like Tolkien?

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My point, which you lot may have missed--and I don't blame you!--the first post is kinda like... a joke.
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Old 08-14-2008, 05:18 AM   #13
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As a matter of fact, Lindale, I suspect that possibility has occurred to other posters.
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Boethius was mentioned a lot at the Tolkien Society Seminar - I must look up my notes on it...
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Old 08-14-2008, 06:01 AM   #15
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Boethius was mentioned a lot at the Tolkien Society Seminar - I must look up my notes on it...
OOOOHHHH. I'd love to hear about it. Unfortunately I haven't been into any Tokien seminar at all. I heard there's a Philippine Tolkien Society, but that was years ago, I don't know if it's still out there.

Anyway I don't like Boethius. *stomps foot like a nasty little spoiled brat*
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