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Old 02-08-2003, 07:21 AM   #1
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1420! the doom of the ring??

do you think that those who are deceived by the Ring are guilty themselves, or are they just unlucky to become slaves of Saurons will? and what do you think: would there be a dark lord in the 4th age too?

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Old 02-08-2003, 10:43 AM   #2
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would there be a dark lord in the 4th age too?
Well, it depends on whether someone very powerful switches to the "dark side", if I may say it in that way. The first Dark lord, Melkor, did that. I think the only reason there was another dark lord after him was because Sauron started out kind of like Melkor's apprentice.

Sauron learned from Melkor and thus decided to take over after Melkor was defeated. Now Saruman would have been the likely choice to be the next dark lord if it hadn't of been for him getting killed. So it's kind of up in arms at who would be the next.

But think of this, no world's perfect. Sadly, not even Middle Earth is. There always was someone wanting to screw everything up, and there always will be. That's just how it is.
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Old 02-08-2003, 01:19 PM   #3
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I think there would be another dark lord. Like Eruwen said, there's always someone wanting to screw things up. It all depends on how powerful whoever wants to is.
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Old 02-08-2003, 02:06 PM   #4
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Old 02-08-2003, 02:17 PM   #5
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No-Sauron was the last non-Human single incarnation of evil. There would be no more Dark Lords.
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Old 02-08-2003, 02:30 PM   #6
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Indeed, Inderjit is right. Sauron was the last true Dark Lord. There is still evil, no doubt about it. But after Sauron there only were humans. Sauron was the last non-human, true incarnation of evil.
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Old 02-08-2003, 03:25 PM   #7
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What about Wizards? For instance, what if Gandalf suddenly decided to go bad? Couldn't he wreck havok on Middle Earth? He has the power.
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Old 02-08-2003, 05:12 PM   #8
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1420!

I don't think it is their fault that the ring corrupts them, so I don't think there should be any guilt, but then, there might be. Like Boromir, I really think he felt guilty for trying to take the ring, even though the ring used his ignorance and ather negative qualities. That's what I think.
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Old 02-08-2003, 05:58 PM   #9
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*waves* Heya. Thought I'd drop in. Question though! Who the heck is Melkor? I haven't been able to read all the books yet, since my dad is so stingy! So, from what everyone is saying, I take it he taught Sauron?

And, indeed, what about the wizards? If Sauroman can go bad, they all can right? So if one that is really powerful like Gandalf decides to turn to the "dark side", that would make him the next dark lord, right?

...One last question if I may. If Sauron wasn't human with really ugly armor, what was he?
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Old 02-08-2003, 07:03 PM   #10
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They talk all about Melkor in the Silmarillion. If you have not read it, then you would know nothing about him. He came before Sauron, he was even more evil than Sauron, because he had more power. Melkor was his orginal name (when he was a Vala), but he is later known as Morgoth. Sauron was a servent of Melkor. After Melkor was defeated Sauron took over the task (having complete dominion over Middle Earth) that Melkor had always been striving for.
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Old 02-08-2003, 10:39 PM   #11
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Who is Melkor?: 'Melkor' is the true name of the first Dark Lord,Morgoth, and is used for him from his beginning until his theft of the Silmarils.

I hope that helps, but it would be better if you read the Silmarillion.
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Old 02-09-2003, 03:44 AM   #12
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The Malice of Morgoth lives on in Middle Earth even though he has been cast out into the dark void so though Sauron is defeated there is nothing to say Morgoth cant work his black mojo on someone in the later Ages.Silmarillion is pretty clear about the fact that though Melkor cant himself walk middle earth he can still impose his will on it.
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Old 02-09-2003, 06:36 AM   #13
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Also, if Melkor's's spirit was destroyed then Arda would be destroyed too, because so much of his power has passed into it.
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Old 02-09-2003, 07:38 AM   #14
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1420!

gee thanks y'all! that's some answers indeed. another question: what is the definition of a dark lord actually? is it some-one who is (taught) by the Most Evil One? then you could say that there wouldn't be a dark lord in the 4th Age. but if a dark lord is anyone with enough forces to resist the powers of the Istari (wizards like Gandalf) then the Istari themselves could. try to imagine what would happen if all the wizards would turn evil!!
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Old 02-09-2003, 08:24 AM   #15
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There were only ever two 'dark lords'-Sauron and Melkor. I think that only soemone of great potency and power can be classified as a dark lord, who had a substancel and evil reign.

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Old 02-09-2003, 10:33 AM   #16
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Dark Lords are supernatural beings that only exist to create havoc and destruction to whoever and wherever they go. The are pure evil through and through and do not care about anything apart from themselves and their possesions. e.g Sauron and The One Ring. [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]
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