Verbal Reasoning! - Page 9 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nilpaurion Felagund · 01-31-2005, 01:50 AM

A followed B?

If that's wrong, a clue?

Firefoot · 01-31-2005, 05:52 AM

Nope.

One of the names is not being used in the "traditional" sense. Once you figure out which, the answer should be pretty obvious.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 01-31-2005, 06:01 AM

Frodo rode Strider (the pony) home,

Sam rode Bill.

Firefoot, you are my new quiz hero.

Firefoot · 01-31-2005, 06:06 AM

Thank you.

That's correct.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 01-31-2005, 08:42 PM

Beor is to Finrod

as

Pippin is to _________

Neithan · 01-31-2005, 09:18 PM

Denethor. Beor swore allegence to Finrod just as Pippin did to Denethor.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 02-01-2005, 12:57 PM

No, but interesting connection.

paavo · 02-01-2005, 02:04 PM

Faramir? Beor saved Finrod's life (didn't he?) and Pippin saved Faramir's.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 02-02-2005, 01:45 AM

Sorry, but no.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-02-2005, 07:02 PM

A was the first of his kind B saw?

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 02-03-2005, 07:32 PM

Precisely.

There are several instances of men/ents seeing hobbits for the first time, but it was Beregond I was looking for.

Congrats. I thought that was going to be much harder.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-03-2005, 10:25 PM

Thank you, Sophia.

OK, here goes (it will be a bit of a stretch):

Mîm is to Andróg

as

______________ is to Gollum.

Evisse the Blue · 02-12-2005, 08:39 AM

Hmmm, maybe Faramir? Because Mîm cursed Androg and Faramir cursed Gollum("may death find you swiftly, if you do not serve him (Frodo) well") -- and both came true.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-13-2005, 06:04 PM

I forgot all about this thread, and my question.

In light of that, and Evisse's convincing answer, she gets the thread.

Your turn.

Evisse the Blue · 02-15-2005, 06:25 AM

The White Tree is to Aragorn

as
__________ is to Finrod.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 02-17-2005, 03:02 PM

The White Tree was the symbol of Aragorn's Kingship

as

The Nauglamir was of Finrod's?

*hopeful*

Evisse the Blue · 02-18-2005, 12:39 AM

On the plus side, you're quite close with the 'symbol' thing.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-18-2005, 12:48 AM

The White Tree is the symbol of the Edain's friendship with the Eldar (I think).

The Ring of Felagund (not Barahir

) is the smybol of Finrod's frienship with Barahir and all his kin.

Evisse the Blue · 02-18-2005, 01:11 AM

Nope, sorry, not that either...

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 02-18-2005, 04:12 AM

The White Tree was the device on Aragorn's banner

as

A harp and quiver were the devices on Finrod's?

Evisse the Blue · 02-18-2005, 08:16 AM

Yes, that's it! Well done!

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 02-19-2005, 12:41 AM

Kili is to Thorin

as

Bilbo is to ___________

Hookbill the Goomba · 02-19-2005, 04:48 AM

Bullroarer (Bandobras) Took, perhaps. That's probably not how you spell it, but... ...

I say this because Killi was a relation to Thorin on his mother’s side, the same way Bilbo was related to Bullroarer Took on his Mother's side.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 02-19-2005, 04:53 AM

Nope, but interesting point with the relationship...

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-21-2005, 10:26 PM

A's mother was B's sister?

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 02-22-2005, 02:55 AM

I'm assuming you meant Isengrim Took, since that is the right answer.

I'd have taken any of the Old Took's children (except obviously Belladonna) for this answer, although I only was thinking of Donnamira and Mirabella when I wrote the question.

Silly of me to forget that Ole Gerontius had 13 children.

Your go, Mr. Felagund.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-24-2005, 01:02 AM

I will claim to end of my days--I'm an Elda, vy ze vay--that it was a TYPO!!!

Sure. Right. Like we'd believe that.

Enedwaith:

Gondolin is to Finwë

as

__________ is to Orodreth.

The usual skewed relation.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-07-2005, 02:19 AM

Anyone?

Evisse the Blue · 03-07-2005, 06:28 AM

The Forest of Brethil?

(Turgon, Finwe's heir, died in Gondolin, while Finduilas, Orodreth's only child and heir died near the forest of Brethil.)

Hopefully I got it right, this one's a toughie!

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-08-2005, 01:53 AM

. . . but maybe not today.

I'll accept Forest of Brethil, as it's close enough to the answer I want.

Gondolin was where Fingolfin, Finwë's child, was buried.

Haudh-en-Elleth was where Finduilas, Orodreth's child, was buried.

Wait. Now that think of it, technically, Fingolfin was buried outside Gondolin.

Ha. Whatever. Your turn, Evisse!

Evisse the Blue · 03-10-2005, 02:05 AM

Ok, can we also do this with events?
If we can't - you'll let me know and I'll change it.

The Paths of the Dead is to Gimli

like
________________ is to Frodo.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 03-10-2005, 11:20 AM

*chuckles*

Cirith Ungol, in both places the person was not terribly happy about being underground/in tunnels.

Not an event though, so likely not right.

Evisse the Blue · 03-10-2005, 12:28 PM

*cough*

Actually I must have been high on something when I wrote that, because neither the first nor the second are events. Both are places, but Cirith Ungol is not the one.

The Elf-warrior · 04-01-2005, 10:35 PM

Is the Dead Marshes the answer?

Evisse the Blue · 04-02-2005, 07:11 AM

Nope, keep trying.
Hint: Think its effect on the character.

Beanamir of Gondor · 04-19-2005, 11:39 AM

That wouldn't happen to be the Barrow-downs, would it?

Evisse the Blue · 04-20-2005, 10:07 AM

Nope, it isn't. Actually, one might say it's quite the opposite of that. This answer would work in a 'reversed verbal reasoning'. I hope I gave a hint.

Hookbill the Goomba · 04-20-2005, 10:25 AM

Mount Doom Perhaps? Both of these places changed the characters in some way. I.e. Gimli submission to fear and Frodo's submission to the ring.

Evisse the Blue · 04-20-2005, 10:39 AM

Yes, that's it. And that's also the reason. Well done, thread is yours!

Hookbill the Goomba · 04-20-2005, 10:59 AM

Thank'ee Evisse.

Try this one;

Frodo is to The Old Forest

As

Aragorn is to _________
Good luck all.

01-31-2005, 01:50 AM	#321
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Gollum? A followed B? If that's wrong, a clue? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

01-31-2005, 06:01 AM	#323
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	Bill the Pony! Frodo rode Strider (the pony) home, Sam rode Bill. Firefoot, you are my new quiz hero. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

01-31-2005, 08:42 PM	#325
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	Beor is to Finrod as Pippin is to _________ __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

01-31-2005, 09:18 PM	#326
Neithan Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 153	Denethor. Beor swore allegence to Finrod just as Pippin did to Denethor. __________________ If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. Men will believe what they see.~Henry David Thoreau

02-01-2005, 12:57 PM	#327
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	No, but interesting connection. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

01-31-2005, 05:52 AM	#322
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,646	Nope. One of the names is not being used in the "traditional" sense. Once you figure out which, the answer should be pretty obvious.

01-31-2005, 06:06 AM	#324
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,646	Thank you. That's correct.

02-01-2005, 02:04 PM	#328
paavo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 447	Faramir? Beor saved Finrod's life (didn't he?) and Pippin saved Faramir's. __________________ It seems to me that trying to live without friends is like milking a bear to get cream for your morning coffee. It is a whole lot of trouble, and then not worth much after you get it.

02-02-2005, 01:45 AM	#329
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	keep on guessing Sorry, but no. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

02-02-2005, 07:02 PM	#330
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	A WAG: Beregond? A was the first of his kind B saw? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good... Last edited by Nilpaurion Felagund; 02-13-2005 at 05:58 PM. Reason: "B" needs capitalisation.

02-03-2005, 07:32 PM	#331
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	how right you are, Nilp. Precisely. There are several instances of men/ents seeing hobbits for the first time, but it was Beregond I was looking for. Congrats. I thought that was going to be much harder. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

02-03-2005, 10:25 PM	#332
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	My WAG worked? Thank you, Sophia. OK, here goes (it will be a bit of a stretch): Mîm is to Andróg as ______________ is to Gollum. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

02-12-2005, 08:39 AM	#333
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	Hmmm, maybe Faramir? Because Mîm cursed Androg and Faramir cursed Gollum("may death find you swiftly, if you do not serve him (Frodo) well") -- and both came true. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

02-13-2005, 06:04 PM	#334
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Y'know what? I forgot all about this thread, and my question. In light of that, and Evisse's convincing answer, she gets the thread. Your turn. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

02-15-2005, 06:25 AM	#335
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	Thanks :) The White Tree is to Aragorn as __________ is to Finrod. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

02-17-2005, 03:02 PM	#336
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	Guesses, my love. The White Tree was the symbol of Aragorn's Kingship as The Nauglamir was of Finrod's? hopeful __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me! Last edited by Sophia the Thunder Mistress; 02-17-2005 at 03:03 PM. Reason: fixing bold code

02-18-2005, 12:39 AM	#337
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	Not yet. unfortunately :( On the plus side, you're quite close with the 'symbol' thing. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

02-18-2005, 12:48 AM	#338
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	The Ring of Felagund? The White Tree is the symbol of the Edain's friendship with the Eldar (I think). The Ring of Felagund (not Barahir ) is the smybol of Finrod's frienship with Barahir and all his kin. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

02-18-2005, 01:11 AM	#339
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	Nope, sorry, not that either... __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

02-18-2005, 04:12 AM	#340
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	I think I may have it The White Tree was the device on Aragorn's banner as A harp and quiver were the devices on Finrod's? __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

02-18-2005, 08:16 AM	#341
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	Yes, that's it! Well done! __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

02-19-2005, 12:41 AM	#342
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	Aha Kili is to Thorin as Bilbo is to ___________ __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me! Last edited by Sophia the Thunder Mistress; 02-19-2005 at 12:58 AM.

02-19-2005, 04:48 AM	#343
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 6,153	Bullroarer (Bandobras) Took, perhaps. That's probably not how you spell it, but... ... I say this because Killi was a relation to Thorin on his mother’s side, the same way Bilbo was related to Bullroarer Took on his Mother's side. __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket...

02-19-2005, 04:53 AM	#344
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	Nope, but interesting point with the relationship... __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

02-21-2005, 10:26 PM	#345
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Isengrim Baggins? A's mother was B's sister? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

02-22-2005, 02:55 AM	#346
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	Silly Nilp I'm assuming you meant Isengrim Took, since that is the right answer. I'd have taken any of the Old Took's children (except obviously Belladonna) for this answer, although I only was thinking of Donnamira and Mirabella when I wrote the question. Silly of me to forget that Ole Gerontius had 13 children. Your go, Mr. Felagund. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

02-24-2005, 01:02 AM	#347
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	"Silly" is correct. I will claim to end of my days--I'm an Elda, vy ze vay--that it was a TYPO!!! Sure. Right. Like we'd believe that. Enedwaith: Gondolin is to Finwë as __________ is to Orodreth. The usual skewed relation. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-07-2005, 02:19 AM	#348
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	*chirp chirp chirp* Anyone? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-07-2005, 06:28 AM	#349
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	The Forest of Brethil? (Turgon, Finwe's heir, died in Gondolin, while Finduilas, Orodreth's only child and heir died near the forest of Brethil.) Hopefully I got it right, this one's a toughie! __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

03-08-2005, 01:53 AM	#350
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	I could be evil . . . . . . but maybe not today. I'll accept Forest of Brethil, as it's close enough to the answer I want. Gondolin was where Fingolfin, Finwë's child, was buried. Haudh-en-Elleth was where Finduilas, Orodreth's child, was buried. Wait. Now that think of it, technically, Fingolfin was buried outside Gondolin. Ha. Whatever. Your turn, Evisse! __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good... Last edited by Nilpaurion Felagund; 03-09-2005 at 01:59 AM. Reason: message icon

03-10-2005, 02:05 AM	#351
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	Ok, can we also do this with events? If we can't - you'll let me know and I'll change it. The Paths of the Dead is to Gimli like ________________ is to Frodo. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

03-10-2005, 11:20 AM	#352
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	chuckles Cirith Ungol, in both places the person was not terribly happy about being underground/in tunnels. Not an event though, so likely not right. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

03-10-2005, 12:28 PM	#353
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	cough Actually I must have been high on something when I wrote that, because neither the first nor the second are events. Both are places, but Cirith Ungol is not the one. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

04-01-2005, 10:35 PM	#354
The Elf-warrior Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia. Posts: 952	Is the Dead Marshes the answer? __________________ Fenris Wolf: WW LXXX.

04-02-2005, 07:11 AM	#355
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	Nope, keep trying. Hint: Think its effect on the character. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.