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Old 12-11-2017, 05:31 AM   #67
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First of all sorry for bring this thread again to the first place. I only want to explain some of my thoughts about the project in my version.
That’s derived from the recent commentaries about the inclusion of philological texts into the narrative. In my opinion there is enough philological material to make one great volume or several. And I don’t think this must be the proposal of this project, for me is clear what I want, and this will not be my work. It is necessary to include all material explaining the origin of the languages and its relations, historical texts; and insert into the narrative those paragraphs and sentences that provides historical, descriptive, etc information if is inserted much material including philological roots, stems, etc in my opinion don’t work, and it would have to be added such works like: Rivers and beacon hills, notes on Óre, Eldarin fingers, hands and numerals, the whole etimologies with its addendas, the whole text of WPaP, The lexicons, Ros, whole Shibboleth, whole Q&E, whole Descending of tongues, qenya and noldorin verb and noun structures, alphabets, etc, etc, etc all published in PE and VT.
Well, I resolve some things by adding some information in the guide of names that I constructed and finally inserted in my volume 0, but this guide is out of the narrative, and if I think in my own preferences I only want to read a story, and the linguistic part left to the professionals that is what was the professor. If I want to see linguistic information I go to the sources.
I have a pity that from the beginning, much time before I discovered this page, even much time before this page was created, I started my project in spanish and without the source notes marks (I was much less professional than you), and it's too late for me to retranslate and give the source marks that in many places I don't remember from where were. I work now only by memory because I have my books printed many years ago, and only from time to time I reprint them with accumulated minor changes in many cases better retranslations.
And that’s what I want, reprint again and hope for the last time, and enjoy with the work, because I’m growing old and have a severe eye illness.
This project is endless, because there are for sure much more material unpublished, and of course the work in this page will make me do minor changes.
Lastly I want to include in this post the structure updated with the addition of my edited Ambarcanta that in its time didn’t want to include mostly because of lacking of original and useful professor maps (unless it be used maps from other sources like, say, Mrs. Fonstad). But now I changed my mind and decided include it.

Volume 0 Introduction to the Texts of the Histories of Arda (Prologues, notes and guides of names)

Note preliminary to this edition (from me)
Preface of the author to his First Edition of TFotLotR
Preface of the author (Tolkien) to his Second Edition of The Fall of the Lord of the Rings
Prologue of the Editor (me) to the Three volumes of TFtE
Note of the author on pronunciation
Note of the author on Writing and spelling
Note of the author on the Shire Records
Note of the editor (me) based on texts of the translator (Tolkien) on the origin and source of the texts of the TftE
Note of the author on translation to modern language
Nomenclature of TLotR
General Guide of Names

Volume 1

The Fall of the Lord of the Rings and the Return of the King
(the text of There and Back Again updated with the three rewritten chapters in the 60’s, together with the text of TLotR, the pure story including the Epilogue)

Volume 2

Translations from the Elvish

Ainulindale. The Music of the Ainur
Valaquenta. Account of the Valar and Maiar according to the lore of the Eldar
. Of the Valar
. Of the Maiar
. Of the Enemies

Eldanyare ecar Quenta Silmarillion History of the Eldar or History of the Silmarils

. 1 Of the Beginning of Time
. 2 Of Valinor and the Two Trees
-Of Aulë and the Dwarves
-Of the Ents and Eagles
. 3 Of the Coming of the Elves and the captivity of Melkor
-Of the awakening of the Elves
-Of the Chaining of Melkor
. 4 Of Thingol and Melian
. 5 Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie
. 6 Of Finwë and Míriel
. 7 Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor
. 8 Of the Silmarilli and the Unrest of the Noldor
. 9 Of the Darkening of Valinor
. 10 Of the Rape of the Silmarils
. 11 Of the Thieves’ Quarrel
-Of the Orkor
. 12 Of the Flight of the Noldor
-Of the speech of Fëanor upon Tuna
-Of the First Kin-slaying and the Doom of the Noldor
. 13 Of Dwarves
. 14 Of the Sindar
-Of the building of Menegroth
-Of the coming of Denethor
-Of the First battle of the Wars of Beleriand
. 15 Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
. 16 Of Men
. 17 Of the return of the Noldor
-Of the Second battle: Dagor-nuin-Gilliath
-Of Fingon and Maedhros
. 18 Of the Founding of Nargothrond and Gondolin
. 19 Of the Siege of Angband
-Of the Third battle: Dagor Aglareb
. 20 Of Beleriand and its Realms
-Of the dwellings of the Eldar
. 21 Of Turgon and the Building of Gondolin
. 22 Of Maeglin. Sister-son of Turgon, King of Gondolin
. 23 Of the Coming of the Edain & their Hauses and Lordships in Beleriand
-Of the Coming of Men into the West and the Metting of the Edain and the Eldar
-Of the Kindreds and Houses of the Edain
. 24 Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin
-Of the Fourth battle: Dagor Bragollach
-Of the Death of Fingolfin
-Of the Sige of Eithel Sirion and the Fall of Galdor
-Of the Swarthy Men
. 25 Of Beren and Tinúviel
-Of the meeting of Beren and Lúthien
-Of the Quest of the Silmaril
-Of the Wolf-hunt of Carcharoth
-Of the song of Lúthien in Mandos
. 26 Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad
-Of the Union of Maedhros
-Of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad
. 27 Of Túrin Turambar or Túrin the Hapleless
. 28 Of the Fate of Húrin and Morwen
. 29 Of the Sigil Elu-naeth and the Ruin of Doriath
-Of the Second Kin-slaying
. 30 Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin
. 31 Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the raising of the Star
-Of the Third Kin-slaying
. 32 Of the Great Battle and the War of Wrath
-Of the Last End of the Oath of Fëanor and his Sons
-Of the Passing of the Elves
-The Second Prophecy of Mandos


A Cuivienyarna The legend of the awakening of the Quendi
-Of naming
-Of death and the severance of fëa and hröa
-Of Reincarnation and other dooms of those that go to Mandos
-The Converse of Manwë and Eru
-Of the severance of marriage
-This judgement is known as the "Stature of Finwë and Míriel"
C Of Tongues. Herein are several extracts and comments mostly from The Lammas or Account of Tongues
-Lambion Ontale. The Descent of Tongues
-The division of Tongues
-Of the speech of Dwarves
-Of the Atani and their tongues
-Essecenta Eldarinwa. Enquiry into the origins of Elvish names. (extracts)
-Meanings and use of the various terms applied to the Elves.
-The Clan-names
-The names of the descendants of Finwë
-Elvish names for Men
-Elvish names for the Dwarves
-Elvish names for the Orcs
-Quenya and the Elvish(specially Noldorin) words for "Language"
-Note on the "Language of the Valar"
-Dangweth pengolodh
-Ósanwe-centa. Enquiry into the Communication of Thought. (résumé of Pengolodh's discussion)
D Of Death and the Children of Eru, and the Marring of Men. Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth
-The Tale of Adanel
E Yénonótie. The Tale of Years.
F Ambarcanta The shaping of the World



Volume 3

Translations from the Elvish

ATANATARION egor NERN IN EDENEDAIR Tales of the Fathers of Men

Narn Beren ion Barahir egor Narn e·Dinúviel or The lay of Leithian
1 Of Thingol in Doriath, Of Lúthien the Beloved, Of Daeron Minstrel of Thingol, of the meeting of Thingol and Melian
2 Of Morgoth, Of the Saving of King Finrod Felagund by the XII Beorings, Of Tarn Aeluin the Blesses, Of Gorlim Unhappy
3 Of the revenge of Beren & his Escape
4 Of the Coming of Beren to Doriath and his meeting with Lúthien
5 Of Beren before Thingol
6 Of Beren in Nargothrond
7 Of Beren and Finrod before Sauron
8 Of Luthien's captivity in Doriath
9 Of Huan y Lúthien in Nargothrond
10 Of the death of Finrod and the defeat of Sauron
11 Of the attack by Celegorm and Curufin
12 Of the disguising of Beren and Lúthien and the journey to Angband
13 Of the meeting with Carcharoth
14 Of Beren and Luthien in Angband and the rape of the Silmaril
15 Of the Escape from Angband
16 Of the Wolf-hunt
17 Of the Song of Lúthien in Mandos
-The choices of Lúthien

Narn e·mbar Hador
. Narn e·’Rach Morgoth
Narn i Chîn Húrin
1 The Childhood of Túrin
2 The Battle of Unnumbered Tears
3 The Words of Húrin and Morgoth
4 The Departure of Túrin
5 Túrin in Doriath
6 Túrin among the Outlaws
7 Of Mîm the Dwarf
8 The Land of Bow and Helm
9 The Death of Beleg
10 Faelivrin
11 Túrin in Nargothrond
12 The Fall of Nargothrond
13 The Return of Túrin to Dor-Lómin
14 The coming of Túrin into Brethil
15 The Journey of Morwen and Nienor to Nargothrond
16 Niënor in Brethil
17 The Coming of Glaurung
18 The Death of Glaurung
19 The Death of Túrin
The Wanderings of Húrin
-The release of Húrin, Húrin in Dor-lómin
-The Shadow falls on Brethil
-Húrin in Nargothrond
-Húrin in Doriath

Narn en-Êl egor Narn e·Dant Gondolin ar orthad en-Êl

1 The birth and fostering of Tuor
2 The call of Ulmo
3 Tuor in Vinyamar
4 Voronwë
5 The quest of Gondolin
6 The hidden pass
7 The arriving at Gondolin
8 Tuor in Gondolin and the birth of the New Star
9 The Treason of Maeglin
10 The Fall of Gondolin
11 The Flight of the exiles
12 The song of Tuor in Nan-tathen
13 The Departure of Tuor and Idril and the voyages of Eärendil
14 The attack of the sons of Fëanor and the Third Kin-slaying
15 The Great Voyage of Eärendil and the raising of the Star



Volume 4

Translations from the Elvish
The Second and Third Ages

First Part
The Second Age


Atalante or Akallabeth. The Fall of Númenor

1 A description of the Island of Númenor
2 Indis i-Kiryamo: The Mariner´s Wife
3 The line of Elros

Middle Earth

Of the Realms of the Elves in the Second Age
Of the Return of the Shadow
Of Galadriel and Celeborn
Of the Rings of Power
Of Men in Middle Earth and their first meeting with the Númenóreans
Of Dwarves and their relations with Men
Of the Realms of the Exiles of Númenor
Of the last alliance of Elves and Men

The Tale of Years of the Second Age

Second Part
The Third Age

Of the disaster of the Gladden Fields
Of the Kingdoms of the Exiles in the Third Age
-Of the North Kingdom and the Dúnedain
-Of the Chieftains of the Dúnedain
-Of the Kingdom of Gondor and the Heirs of Anarion
-Of the Stewards
-The Oath of Cirion and Eorl
Of Durin's Folk
Of Eldar in the Third Age
Of the Istari
Of the Fall of the Lord of the Rings and the Return of the King
Of Aragorn and Arwen Undomiel
1 The Heirs of Elendil
2 The Kings of the March
3 The Tale of Years of the Third Age
4 Of languages and peoples in the Third Age.

Third Part
General Notes

I Of Aman
-Aman and Mortal men
II Of the Sources of the legend of Isildur's Death
III Of the Númenórean Linear Measures
IV Of the boundaries of Lothlórien
V Of Amroth and Nimrodel
VI Of the Historical origins of the names of the rivers Glanduin and Gwathló
VII Of the Halifirien and the Tradition of Isildur
VIII Of the classification of Men by the Dúnedain
IX Of the origins of the Istari
X Of the Elessar
XI Of the Drúedain and the Periannath
-The faithful stone
-Of the differences between the Drúedain and the Periannath
XII Of the Palantiri
XII Of the Battles of the Fords of Isen


Volume 5

On Hobbits

Of the Quest of Erebor
Of the Hunt for the Ring
-Of the Journey of the Black Riders according to the account that Gandalf gave to Frodo
-Concerning Gandalf, Saruman and the Shire
Shire Calendar
The Tale of Years (on hobbits)
-The Great Years
-The chief days from the Fall of Bard-dûr to the end of the Third Age
-Later Events concerning the members of the Fellowship of the Ring
Family Trees
Other verses and poems from the original Red Book (TAoTB and Bilbo's last poem)

Sorry for the extended thoughts, this is only my opinion and I wanted to share it with all of you. And for sure I have more things to say but now I don’t have in mind.

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