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Forum: The Books 01-10-2025, 10:45 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
@Huinesoron Do you have any new insights on...

@Huinesoron

Do you have any new insights on the subject, or otherwise any changes you'd make to your timeline?

Just looking for an update (if there's any).
Forum: The Books 08-22-2024, 01:41 PM
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Posted By Arvegil145
I wasn't angry as such, but I definitely was a...

I wasn't angry as such, but I definitely was a prick, so an apology is the least I could do.





I mean, assuming that Tolkien kept in his head through the years what he wrote in the 'Myths...
Forum: The Books 08-22-2024, 04:27 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
First of, I have to apologize for my tone in the...

First of, I have to apologize for my tone in the above post - I haven't slept for two days and for some reason decided to post here. Not that any of that is an excuse.




My biggest problem...
Forum: The Books 08-20-2024, 07:52 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
Did we threw away the 3,100 years idea? As...

Did we threw away the 3,100 years idea?

As to Celebrimbor, descendant of Daeron, I have no comments other than one - maybe you shouldn't treat that which Tolkien wrote last as scripture. (Not...
Forum: The Books 08-16-2024, 03:42 PM
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Posted By Arvegil145
BTW, @Huinesoron, what do you think about the...

BTW, @Huinesoron, what do you think about the idea of creating a post (recorded)-Fourth Age timeline?

There is, to my surprise, actually some meat to the basic skeleton that Tolkien mentioned in...
Forum: The Books 08-16-2024, 08:41 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
Sorry about that! :D It did sound like that to me...

Sorry about that! :D It did sound like that to me on second viewing, but anyway...





I still have reservations about the whole '3 ages of the imprisonment of Melkor' - perhaps you could...
Forum: The Books 08-10-2024, 08:05 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
Before I make my point about Ents, it occurred to...

Before I make my point about Ents, it occurred to me that maybe you could add certain dates before the First Age (i.e. before VY 850/1) -

1) the creation of the Two Trees (VY 1/1)

2) the...
Forum: The Books 08-10-2024, 05:49 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
Can you give us an update, @Huinesoron :)? ...

Can you give us an update, @Huinesoron :)?


Anyway, I've been musing over the 'Cirdan' text in the PoME - and, depending on how you interpret the following quote, it might suggest that at least...
Forum: The Books 08-08-2024, 01:22 PM
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Posted By Arvegil145
@Huinesoron - I was wondering if we could deduce...

@Huinesoron - I was wondering if we could deduce when the Ents were awakened? Or even if Tolkien gives a specific time range.
Forum: The Books 08-06-2024, 06:22 PM
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Posted By Arvegil145
I think the death of the Trees should be VY...

I think the death of the Trees should be VY 887/144, if we follow the timeline faithfully (i.e. 24 VY exact after the Finding - that is VY 863/144, if you adopt the change).


And in regards to...
Forum: The Books 08-06-2024, 07:53 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear (it's my...

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear (it's my fault) - I understand that this issue only emerges occasionally - however, what I'm trying to say is that, unless the 24-year adulthood figure is adopted,...
Forum: The Books 08-06-2024, 05:15 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
I think we're talking past each other - the rate...

I think we're talking past each other - the rate of 'ageing' and the time at which Elves have their first children prior to the March is absolutely, completely inseparable from the 'Scheme 7' (the...
Forum: The Books 08-06-2024, 01:37 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
The problem is when a later source contradicts a...

The problem is when a later source contradicts a key earlier one (on which the whole reconstructed timeline is based on, moreoever) in such a way as to make the timeline practically unusable - and I...
Forum: The Books 08-05-2024, 01:37 PM
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Posted By Arvegil145
@Huinesoron - I think there might be a problem...

@Huinesoron - I think there might be a problem with using the '72 years until adulthood' figure.

The dates of characters' births and marriages in XIII.1 (which we're using as the template for the...
Forum: The Books 08-03-2024, 06:50 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
This all hinges on the fact that Tolkien in his...

This all hinges on the fact that Tolkien in his published works had a completely different idea. That is why I suggested to Huinesoron to adopt whatever doesn't contradict LOTR and RGEO.

Again,...
Forum: The Books 08-03-2024, 04:57 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
Huh... I imagine that, as seen many times...

Huh...

I imagine that, as seen many times before, Tolkien doodled on the page of the December 1959 'Genealogy' - I wonder what the first of these 'late additions' were?



@Huinesoron - I...
Forum: The Books 08-02-2024, 12:17 PM
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Posted By Arvegil145
I consulted Hammond and Scull's 'Chronology', and...

I consulted Hammond and Scull's 'Chronology', and all the references to the GA are within c. 1951-2 range.

But perhaps you're right, though Tolkien might've reverted back to the GA1 in the NoME...
Forum: The Books 08-02-2024, 05:47 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
Ohh boy...Tolkien in his last 4 or 5 years of...

Ohh boy...Tolkien in his last 4 or 5 years of life practically settled on Celeborn being a Teler of Aman. And if that wasn't enough, he changed Celebrimbor's origin from that of a grandson of Feanor...
Forum: The Books 08-02-2024, 04:41 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
I'm aware that the table dates from the end of...

I'm aware that the table dates from the end of 1959, but I could've sworn that there's another place which dates the Elmo-Galadhon-Celeborn family tree to the late '60s, but my brain isn't...
Forum: The Books 08-01-2024, 12:59 PM
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Posted By Arvegil145
Another few small nitpicks: 1) where are the...

Another few small nitpicks:

1) where are the diacritics on the names?

2) 'Amras and Amrod' should be 'Amros and Amrod (Amarthan)' - it wasn't a typo

3) Feanor's birth year (3234) is placed...
Forum: The Books 08-01-2024, 12:02 PM
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Posted By Arvegil145
Ah, but remember the footnote 5, which states...

Ah, but remember the footnote 5, which states that he was born in Beleriand - however, the footnote also states that the timespan between the arrival of the Eldar in Aman and the overthrow of Morgoth...
Forum: The Books 07-31-2024, 06:53 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
You've outdone yourself - somehow you made all...

You've outdone yourself - somehow you made all this mess make sense, and without too much speculation!

I don't think there's anything better that you could've done with what we have.

Appendix...
Forum: The Books 07-30-2024, 10:46 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
Funny thing is, that's exactly what Tolkien did...

Funny thing is, that's exactly what Tolkien did at first - that is, just use the existing AAm dates for the First Age but plug in the 144 figure instead of the 9.582: however, that gave an absurdly...
Forum: The Books 07-30-2024, 04:54 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
EDIT: No, I meant - take for example the...

EDIT:

No, I meant - take for example the Awaking of Men (VY 1075 I assume): how did you arrive at 862/50 (FA 1778) figure? As in, can you walk me through the process?




I meant 'ca.' in...
Forum: The Books 07-30-2024, 01:12 AM
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Posted By Arvegil145
First of all, before I make any other comment - I...

First of all, before I make any other comment - I think you really should stress when a date is approximate or within a given range. And when dealing with such dates, I think maybe you ought to round...
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