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Pervinca Took 08-01-2019 10:24 AM

BRUNO: A French circle spins for him.
???E???: Burrowing mammals' concerts and insects' pity combine for them.
GALATHEA: Festival articles for her.
???S???: A claw and a nun's cap were sedentary, before they spun around for him.
ASFALOTH: Shop changes tune, unwilling, for him.
GWAIHIR: Confused Field Marshal at start of Merseyside peninsula transforms for him.
ROVERANDOM: Wander unmethodically for him.
SHELOB: A unit of measure, a vowel shift ... shuffle and see her.

Keep COIF and TALON. And if you are sedentary, you are ...? (The ungrammatical one ... the past participle, not the present participle).

If honey-making insects showed the pity, what element would we have to go with RUTH?

Give me a burrowing mammal ... pluralised.

Give me another word for concerts.

Huinesoron 08-02-2019 07:30 AM

Wasn't Badgersgig Bumbleruth the Shire's answer to Engelbert Humperdinck? (The composer, obviously; Hobbits would have no truck with pop.)

(I know I'm going to be kicking myself over this one. I also know it's probably bee, not bumble, but the joke worked better this way.)

If I am sedentary, I am probably seated. COIF + TALON + SEATED contains the phrase 'State of Denial', which is about how I feel. ^_^ It also gives the descriptor 'Old Stone', but the leftover letters are CIFTAAE, which doesn't come anywhere near 'troll'. (Sam Vimes is well represented, though.)

It also runs over by only three letters for FASTITOCALON, and if I remove those letters, I find that sedentary = sat. So there, I sincerely hope, is the answer.

Just a bumbling musician to go!

hS

Pervinca Took 08-02-2019 01:12 PM

BRUNO: A French circle spins for him.
BERUTHIEL'S MOGGIES: Burrowing mammals' concerts and insects' pity - I combine, for them.
GALATHEA: Festival articles for her.
FASTITOCALON: A claw and a nun's cap were sedentary, before they spun around for him.
ASFALOTH: Shop changes tune, unwilling, for him.
GWAIHIR: Confused Field Marshal at start of Merseyside peninsula transforms for him.
ROVERANDOM: Wander unmethodically for him.
SHELOB: A unit of measure, a vowel shift ... shuffle and see her.

Shall I help? :D

MOLES' GIGS + BEE RUTH

(Get a wooden spoon ....)

...

Ok, I've put it in.

MOLES' GIGS + BEE RUTH + I.

Over to you, Huinesoron!

There may be an extraneous I. I'm slipping ... but have now amended the clue to account for it. ;)

Huinesoron 08-03-2019 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719598)
Ok, I've put it in.

Over to you, Huinesoron!

There may be an extraneous I. I'm slipping ....

Okay, that is pretty spectacular. [Applause] I might potentially have gotten it if 'beeruth' came first; probably wouldn't have, though!

I will... try to get something up tonight, but from tomorrow I'm in the Land of Intermittent Phone Signal, so you probably won't see much of me. So I'll try and get something short up tonight.

hS

Huinesoron 08-03-2019 01:23 PM

1. - A deed of lesser note in the wet, lit by candlelight.
2. - Wait a second: do not live up by the trees.
3. - One step in... well, here we are!
4. - O no, a bottle - stone third in the sandpit.
5. - "Hell is other vowels! For the lost!", Huor lies.

hS

Pervinca Took 08-03-2019 05:21 PM

Is 1 something to do with the Dead Marshes?

...

'A deed' has one less vowel if it becomes DEAD.

Tricksy candle lights ... tricksy clueses ....

Huinesoron 08-03-2019 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719609)
Is 1 something to do with the Dead Marshes?
...

'A deed' has one less vowel if it becomes DEAD.

Tricksy candle lights ... tricksy clueses ....

It is, though I was aiming for 'turn one of the notes in 'deed' into an earlier one.

1. DEAD MARSHES - A deed of lesser note in the wet, lit by candlelight.
2. - Wait a second: do not live up by the trees.
3. - One step in... well, here we are!
4. - O no, a bottle - stone third in the sandpit.
5. - "Hell is other vowels! For the lost!", Huor lies.

hS

Pervinca Took 08-04-2019 09:20 AM

Is the password DEATH?

Changing vowels, you could get HALLAS for the last clue - Cirion's heir - but I can't connect that with a Huor, mendacious or otherwise - or with death.

Huinesoron 08-04-2019 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719611)
Is the password DEATH?


1. DEAD MARSHES - A deed of lesser note in the wet, lit by candlelight.
2. ??E?? - Wait a second: do not live up by the trees.
3. ??A?? - One step in... well, here we are!
4. ??T?? - O no, a bottle - stone third in the sandpit.
5. ??H?? - "Hell is other vowels! For the lost!", Huor lies.

Quote:

Changing vowels, you could get HALLAS for the last clue - Cirion's heir - but I can't connect that with a Huor, mendacious or otherwise - or with death.
It's not Hallas, but changing vowels is correct. You did it wrong, though. :)

hS

Pervinca Took 08-05-2019 05:40 AM

Udun could become Edin, but that's not enough for Rath Dinen. ;)

I wonder if the answer is where Huor is buried, not where he told those ginormous porkies about the size of the fish he caught the previous week.

Huinesoron 08-05-2019 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719621)
I wonder if the answer is where Huor is buried, not where he told those ginormous porkies about the size of the fish he caught the previous week.

Ooh, that's a clever idea. ;)

hS

Pervinca Took 08-05-2019 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 719622)
Ooh, that's a clever idea. ;)

hS

It might be, if the Fen of Serech had anything to do with a revowelled Hell.

Huinesoron 08-06-2019 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719625)
It might be, if the Fen of Serech had anything to do with a revowelled Hell.

Hmm, is Huor buried at Serech? Rian didn't think so.

hS

Pervinca Took 08-06-2019 12:42 PM

Hang on ...

Wait a second ... does that mean red letter is the 2nd? And A is one step in? And T is third letter?

Here we are?

Why, we're all dead, and in the BARROW-DOWNS!

Huinesoron 08-07-2019 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719627)
Hang on ...

Wait a second ... does that mean red letter is the 2nd? And A is one step in? And T is third letter?

Here we are?

Why, we're all dead, and in the BARROW-DOWNS!

Yes, yes, yes... and yes!

1. DEAD MARSHES - A deed of lesser note in the wet, lit by candlelight.
2. ??E?? - Wait a second: do not live up by the trees.
3. BARROW-DOWNS - One step in... well, here we are!
4. ??T?? - O no, a bottle - stone third in the sandpit.
5. ??H?? - "Hell is other vowels! For the lost!", Huor lies.

^_^

hS

Pervinca Took 08-07-2019 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719627)
Hang on ...

Wait a second ... does that mean red letter is the 2nd? And A is one step in? And T is third letter?

Here we are?

Why, we're all dead, and in the BARROW-DOWNS!

Well, 2 can't be either of the Two Trees, but could it possibly refer to the area by them? I guess we're looking for a sort of forest of death, but I can't think of one.

Huinesoron 08-07-2019 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719629)
Well, 2 can't be either of the Two Trees, but could it possibly refer to the area by them? I guess we're looking for a sort of forest of death, but I can't think of one.

Nope. :)

What does 'by' mean? And where's the cryptic clue?

hS

Pervinca Took 08-07-2019 09:00 AM

In 5, is FOR a pun on FOUR and a position indicator?

Huinesoron 08-07-2019 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719631)
In 5, is FOR a pun on FOUR and a position indicator?

No, it is not. That clue has no position indicator, just a cryptic and straight clue.

... and you've already spotted the straight clue with 'where Huor is buried'.

hS

Pervinca Took 08-07-2019 02:28 PM

Is 4 BATTLE something ... Battle Gardens or something? No O in bottle; an A instead. I'm thinking of where the fallen of the Battle of Bywater were laid. I have a vague memory of it being levelled into a sandpit.

Not sure about the stone, though. And I've an idea Battle Gardens was a name suggested for the restored Bagshot Row, but rejected in favour of New Row.

Urwen 08-07-2019 03:02 PM

5. Haudh-en-Nirnaeth?

Huinesoron 08-08-2019 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719633)
Is 4 BATTLE something ... Battle Gardens or something? No O in bottle; an A instead. I'm thinking of where the fallen of the Battle of Bywater were laid. I have a vague memory of it being levelled into a sandpit.

Not sure about the stone, though. And I've an idea Battle Gardens was a name suggested for the restored Bagshot Row, but rejected in favour of New Row.

I'm going to give you that one, because it is the sandpit used after Bywater. The actual name is BATTLE PIT, as in the stone of a fruit.

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 719635)
5. Haudh-en-Nirnaeth?

Yes - but not by that name. (I wanted to, but can you imagine the convoluted mess I would have made of the cryptic clue?!)

1. DEAD MARSHES - A deed of lesser note in the wet, lit by candlelight.
2. ??E?? - Wait a second: do not live up by the trees.
3. BARROW-DOWNS - One step in... well, here we are!
4. BATTLE PIT - O no, a bottle - stone third in the sandpit.
5. ??H?? - "Hell is other vowels! For the lost!", Huor lies.

hS

Urwen 08-08-2019 07:05 AM

Hill of the Slain?

Pervinca Took 08-08-2019 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 719630)
Nope. :)

What does 'by' mean? And where's the cryptic clue?

hS

'What does BY mean?'

By the trees?

We're looking for where a famous lumberjack was crushed by some trees, then? :D

Huinesoron 08-08-2019 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 719638)
Hill of the Slain?

Exactly. :)

1. DEAD MARSHES - A deed of lesser note in the wet, lit by candlelight.
2. ??E?? - Wait a second: do not live up by the trees.
3. BARROW-DOWNS - One step in... well, here we are!
4. BATTLE PIT - O no, a bottle - stone third in the sandpit.
5. HILL OF THE SLAIN - "Hell is other vowels! For the lost!", Huor lies.

Hell > Hill, and 'of the slain' == 'for the lost', with a different meaning of 'of'.

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719639)
'What does BY mean?'

By the trees?

We're looking for where a famous lumberjack was crushed by some trees, then? :D

I mean... actually pretty much yes? Only with a bit more plural?

hS

Urwen 08-08-2019 02:58 PM

Sounds like Saruman and Ents.....

Pervinca Took 08-08-2019 04:55 PM

Does of really have more than one meaning?

I have been thinking about Ents and Isengard too.

And I suppose Saruman was a lumberjack ... by proxy.

But E second letter?

Helm's Deep has ELMS in it ... and didn't lots of orcs die there?

Huinesoron 08-09-2019 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 719642)
Sounds like Saruman and Ents.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719644)
I have been thinking about Ents and Isengard too.

And I suppose Saruman was a lumberjack ... by proxy.

But E second letter?

Helm's Deep has ELMS in it ... and didn't lots of orcs die there?

You're both very much on the right track, but are these really places people died...?

hS

Pervinca Took 08-10-2019 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 719647)
You're both very much on the right track, but are these really places people died...?

hS

Well, everywhere populous is, unless it's uniquely an elf-dwelling. (Or the Ainurs' pad). ;)

Urwen 08-10-2019 03:56 AM

Either the Shire, where Saruman, Lotho and Grima died, or the fords of Isen, where Theodred died.

Pervinca Took 08-10-2019 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 719649)
Either the Shire, where Saruman, Lotho and Grima died, or the fords of Isen, where Theodred died.

The second letter is E, though.

Urwen 08-10-2019 04:47 AM

I think I found it. We're dealing with opposites here. Opposite of live is death, and opposite of up id down, and we get Death Down, a place where Huorns laid Saruman's Orcs to rest. Huorns are trees, and they put them near the eaves of the trees, so by the trees.

Huinesoron 08-10-2019 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719648)
Well, everywhere populous is, unless it's uniquely an elf-dwelling. (Or the Ainurs' pad). ;)

Sorry, by 'these' I meant the previous answers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 719651)
I think I found it. We're dealing with opposites here. Opposite of live is death, and opposite of up id down, and we get Death Down, a place where Huorns laid Saruman's Orcs to rest. Huorns are trees, and they put them near the eaves of the trees, so by the trees.

Bingo! And for exactly the right reasons too. :) Well done.

1. DEAD MARSHES - A deed of lesser note in the wet, lit by candlelight.
2. DEATH DOWN - Wait a second: do not live up by the trees.
3. BARROW-DOWNS - One step in... well, here we are!
4. BATTLE PIT - O no, a bottle - stone third in the sandpit.
5. HILL OF THE SLAIN - "Hell is other vowels! For the lost!", Huor lies.

Theme: Burial Grounds

The Battle-Pit at least was not a place where anyone was killed, and other than the Dead Marshes, the others are known for the burials, not the deaths that led to them.

Over to... Pervinca, I believe.

hS

Urwen 08-11-2019 06:02 AM

New one?

Pervinca Took 08-11-2019 06:03 AM

Coming soon. I'll try to write it on the train.

Urwen 08-11-2019 07:32 AM

Still waiting.

Pervinca Took 08-11-2019 08:02 AM

Yeah, and I've been stood up on a train with no seat. Have some bloody patience.

Pervinca Took 08-11-2019 08:59 AM

1. She unravels the Grail deal.
2. She's archaically tedious, or is it me, initially? (And subjectively).
3. Norse god confuses her.
4. She's hard (or garbled) of hearing.
5. Hear me versify for her.
6. She bestrides a turbulent river?
7. Mariner's wife is distressed for her.

Urwen 08-11-2019 09:03 AM

1. Galadriel

Pervinca Took 08-11-2019 10:52 AM

GALADRIEL: She unravels the Grail deal.
2. She's archaically tedious, or is it me, initially? (And subjectively).
3. Norse god confuses her.
4. She's hard (or garbled) of hearing.
5. Hear me versify for her.
6. She bestrides a turbulent river?
7. Mariner's wife is distressed for her.


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