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Pervinca Took 12-26-2019 02:46 PM

Is F just FROR, from FREE?

Pervinca Took 12-26-2019 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721129)
HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
F: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
L: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

Next page.

Urwen 12-26-2019 03:15 PM

Nope.

Pervinca Took 12-26-2019 05:27 PM

2nd E could be ERU from RUE, except that there's no room for a note in there.

Urwen 12-26-2019 06:06 PM

Nope.

Pervinca Took 12-28-2019 12:12 PM

F = no fee = a bit like FEANOR?

I don't know the Norse god, but is L LOMION?

Urwen 12-28-2019 01:10 PM

Yes to Feanor, but it's NO+FARE

No to Lomion

Urwen 12-28-2019 01:11 PM

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
L: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

Pervinca Took 12-28-2019 04:58 PM

LINDO, keeper of the Cottage of Lost Play.

L + ODIN.

My mistake was not realising that L was the direction/way.

Urwen 12-29-2019 05:50 PM

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
T: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

Pervinca Took 12-30-2019 04:45 AM

Well, since my HOME collection is currently 200 miles away from me, I have about as much chance of solving the rest of these as I have of getting sound relationship advice from Denethor.

The turncloak one, (interesting to learn the North American term; it's turncoat over here), might be TROTTER from TRAITOR, but I very much doubt it. It's probably something really obscure from the Notion Club Papers or something.

Urwen 12-30-2019 06:36 AM

Actually, the book in question is a really famous one, with a TV show based on it no less. And the clue refers to my 2nd favorite character innit.

Galadriel55 12-30-2019 07:51 PM

I believe I can provide that part. Theon Turncloak was the first thing that came to mind, but I can't make anything out of his name. Pervinca, any ideas with that?

Pervinca Took 12-30-2019 08:07 PM

Would your second favourite character be TURIN?

U(TAH) could be the state, but who is the traitor?

...

EDIT: If there's a THEON, we could put DE(LAWARE) inside it, perhaps, and get ...

... THEODEN?

He must be in HOME, because the History of LOTR is in HOME.

Galadriel55 12-30-2019 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721142)
Actually, the book in question is a really famous one, with a TV show based on it no less. And the clue refers to my 2nd favorite character innit.

Btw, who is your favourite? I have to say Theon is a fascinating character myself in both book and show, but I've always looked forward the most to the Arya POV chapters. :)

Urwen 12-31-2019 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 721145)
Btw, who is your favourite? I have to say Theon is a fascinating character myself in both book and show, but I've always looked forward the most to the Arya POV chapters. :)


Bran.

Urwen 12-31-2019 04:43 AM

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
T: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.


Theon the Turncloak. ;)

Pervinca Took 12-31-2019 05:15 AM

RIAN is NAR with returning I.

Well, it is! :D

But it's not a female character that the clue is asking for.

ROWAN is close ... NAR again ... but WO, not WE.

Urwen 12-31-2019 06:42 AM

Nope.

Urwen 01-06-2020 04:12 PM

Do you need hints?

Galadriel55 01-06-2020 09:19 PM

Probably. I do.

Urwen 01-07-2020 05:12 AM

No hints for you, since you haven't given your follow-up reaction on Bran being my favorite. :p

Pervinca Took 01-07-2020 11:19 AM

I can't give feedback, because I've never read nor watched a single episode of GOT.

Urwen 01-10-2020 04:34 AM

Try figuring some of those out first. E, A, R, and T clues should be quite easy, especially for you Pervinca, since you are a password genius and all.

Pervinca Took 01-10-2020 07:38 AM

TURIN laments, and has the word RUIN, which is chaotic?

Urwen 01-10-2020 10:28 AM

No. This character is an anagram of LAMENTER.

Pervinca Took 01-10-2020 11:17 AM

TELEMNAR, king during the Great Plague.

Urwen 01-28-2020 09:15 AM

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
E: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
A: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

Pervinca Took 01-28-2020 02:23 PM

None of the actual words for middle ear bones work. I've tried them all. Ossicles, stapes, hammer, anvil etc.

Just thought, the middle of ear is A.

But don't have time to mix that with collections of every named bone in the human body, or perhaps in the entire animal kingdom. Bones itself doesn't work.

Urwen 01-28-2020 05:39 PM

I didn't either, until I came across MALLEUS, the plural of which is MALLEI.

Pervinca Took 01-29-2020 07:14 AM

Which gives us ALMIEL, the sister of Anardil.

I feel there should be a name that can be reached by adding a direction word to ELANOR for the bloomer, but no luck so far.

Pervinca Took 01-30-2020 07:08 AM

Hang on ...

Is the first E ELROS - L inside ROSE?

A bit naughty not to include an anagram indicator, if so. ;)

Urwen 01-31-2020 05:19 AM

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
ELROS: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
ALMIEL: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

Urwen 01-31-2020 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 721226)
Hang on ...

Is the first E ELROS - L inside ROSE?

A bit naughty not to include an anagram indicator, if so. ;)


I forgot.

Huinesoron 02-03-2020 07:35 AM

Okay okay. Three male characters, no other obvious straight clues ("archaic" could be, but probably modifies "dirt" instead).

R(1): The pronoun isn't noted as not being English, so let's figure it is. It can't be I (which can't be reversed), but could be most of the others. Probably not they or any of its derivitives, because -ht- isn't a common sound. A confused dwarf is probably a M-e dwarf's name. I'm rubbish at anagrams, so it's brute-force time!

Using the Encyclopedia of Arda index, I find no R-words which contain the reversed pronouns he/his/him/she/her/hers/us. There is one word containing reversed we, 'Renewer', but RENER doesn't seem to make a dwarf. Pronoun me, reversed produces 4 hits, but none of them are characters.

Okay, moving over to the Tolkien Gateway index. Him/his/he/she/her/hers/us once again produce nothing. 'ew' gives a lovely placename I didn't know - Ras Mewrim in the Falas - but that's not 'him'. 'em' produces a whole host of hits, but no characters.

Oh, I forgot the second person, didn't I? You/your/yours do nothing on either index, and thy/thee/thou/thine all have that same -ht-. Um, what have I missed out... 'ym'? Well, there's Raymond E. Feist, but... ;)

Okay, it's looking like either the character isn't indexed by TG, or doesn't use an English pronoun. Hmm. Perhaps there are only a few dwarves with R in their names? NOPE there's heaps. At least 27 by my count. I... don't think I can brute-force that.

... and the E clue is an anagram of a note + a common spice, or possibly words meaning common + spice. Um... it's not pepper? Nah, anagrams from this many options aren't for me.

R(2): Either this is an archaic term for [soil/filth], or it's synonyms for archaic + dirt. Either way, either 'dirt' needs to end with R, or 'archaic' starts with it. In the latter case, the only word that jumps to mind is 'relic'; there are no names starting with that.

So, 'dirt'... there's rumour, but no names starting with ro/ruo. I can't come up with any other words ending in -r that come anywhere close to meaning 'dirt', so I guess I'll give up on this one.

I knew there was a reason I bowed out when we reached the point of Generic Noun Anagram Comma For Him. ^_~ Still, maybe I've given someone else something to start from.

hS

Pervinca Took 02-03-2020 08:29 AM

'It' is also a pronoun, but I couldn't get anything from that, either.

I suspect the remaining names are rare and we probably need to look in the indexes at the back of the HOME books.

Huinesoron 02-04-2020 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 721252)
'It' is also a pronoun, but I couldn't get anything from that, either.

I suspect the remaining names are rare and we probably need to look in the indexes at the back of the HOME books.

Just realised I missed out 'our', but it would need the same -uo- that made 'you' so unlikely.

This is the first time I've wished I owned HoME XIII; a single index would be very helpful at this point.

If it's any help, the answers so far consist of 9 from the First Age, 3 from Numenor, 4 from the Third Age, and one (Lindo) who doesn't really fall into any of those. So probability suggests the last three are probably heavy on the First Age as well.

Urwen has said that 'E, A, R, and T' should be quite easy; that probably means the last R, and might mean the E we have outstanding too. If so, that suggests that both the spice and 'archaic dirt' are fairly well-known words - though the answer to 'A' used 'mallei', so maybe not.

hS

Urwen 02-05-2020 07:33 AM

The spice is easy, the archaic dirt isn't.


The spice is a common ingredient in every meal.

Huinesoron 02-05-2020 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721258)
The spice is easy, the archaic dirt isn't.

The spice is a common ingredient in every meal.

To me that sounds like SALT + E. Which gives us... Elast? Estal? Etals? Ealts? Eslat?

Ah, there it is: ELTAS, teller of the Tale of Turambar in the Cottage of Lost Play.

hS

Pervinca Took 02-05-2020 04:15 PM

Archaic dirt could be LOAM ... except it doesn't have an R or produce anything useful when spelled backwards.


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