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Urwen 12-06-2019 04:39 AM

The second I sounds like I DRANK, which gives us I DRANN.

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 04:45 AM

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!í (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingolís land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: Heís a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? Itís confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here youíll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant childrenís author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps heís sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balinís directionless dad; despite the confusion, itís not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor Ė looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: Heís semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguistís mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Urwen 12-06-2019 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720911)
The second I sounds like I DRANK, which gives us I DRANN.


?

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 04:59 AM

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Cockneys do not drop their K's.

But they might pronounce DROWN as DRAAAAAAN.

Drogo drowned in 2980.

So, although the present continuous would have been a much more likely grammatical choice, he MIGHT, at a stretch, have wailed ' I DRAAAAAN!!!!'

Which SOUNDS rather like 'I Drann' LOOKS.

Huinesoron 12-06-2019 05:13 AM

G: GILD + OR?

('I draan'... good grief, Pervinca. :D)

hS

Urwen 12-06-2019 05:15 AM

Now, does the remaining E clue refer to a character or something else?


Also, I'd appreciate a hint or two.

Huinesoron 12-06-2019 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 720901)
Why Prester John, Huey?

Forgot about this... because PRE+S+TOR hit my 'that looks like a name' button, and then I remembered where I recognised it from.

(Though honestly, 'lost eastern kingdom of Numenorean Faithful' doesn't sound too unlike something Tolkien would have come up with.)

P: PARATHA minus two As = PARTH, and I vaguely remember GALEN being a doctor, so PARTH GALEN? (Oh, right, Galen was the one who decided blood just sort of washed back and forth in the veins.)

hS

Huinesoron 12-06-2019 05:22 AM

Second H... sigh, again. Is it a HOB that someone BIT ON?

(HOBBITON)

hS

Huinesoron 12-06-2019 05:23 AM

First O: didn't ODO PROUDFOOT put the feet in question up on the table?

hS

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 05:23 AM

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

The clues are tumbling nicely at the moment, so I am not giving hints just yet.

Other than this: think of the instances where dancing happens in Tolkien's works. There aren't many. Not because it's an ascetic world. There just isn't that much dancing on a quest. (You already know which book it's in, so it shouldn't be that hard).

Huinesoron, I thought you'd like that one. :D (I DRANN).

I meant 'HOB BITTEN,' ... hence 'they say' for 'sounds like.' Didn't realise one could also masticate stoves in the Westfarthing with the correct letters!

I remember GALEN, and many other medical chaps, from the first unit in History O Level, many years ago: 'Medicine Through Time.'

Seven clues to go!

Urwen 12-06-2019 05:48 AM

Candy lover for first L?

Urwen 12-06-2019 05:51 AM

Regarding the dancer, there is dancing during Bilbo's party, but there were no people whose names begin with E there.

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720923)
Regarding the dancer, there is dancing during Bilbo's party, but there were no people whose names begin with E there.

Yes there were.

...

For the L, you start with the candy to get to the person.

Urwen 12-06-2019 06:29 AM

Esmeralda, from EMERALD

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720925)
Esmeralda, from EMERALD

Nope.

Urwen 12-06-2019 07:07 AM

So it's Everard (EVERHARD - H)

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 07:12 AM

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Six clues remaining.

Urwen 12-06-2019 07:16 AM

BURP + ROALD + S......


Can't see a Tolkien connection in there, though.

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 07:26 AM

ROALD and S are correct.

Flatulence doesn't come out of your mouth! Well, not always.

Urwen 12-06-2019 07:40 AM

So ROALD + FARTING + S

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720931)
So ROALD + FARTING + S

No, but it was worth it to make you type FARTING. :D

Whilst farting CAN play the role of an adjective, I'm looking for a different synonym of 'flatulent.'

Urwen 12-06-2019 07:47 AM

gassy?

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 07:48 AM

Close.

Urwen 12-06-2019 07:51 AM

Windy?

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 07:54 AM

Yes!

Urwen 12-06-2019 07:56 AM

ROALD + WINDY + S spells out OLD WINYARDS.

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 08:00 AM

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!í (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingolís land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: Heís a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? Itís confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here youíll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

OLD WINYARDS: Flatulent and sibilant childrenís author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps heís sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balinís directionless dad; despite the confusion, itís not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor Ė looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: Heís semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguistís mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Five to go!

Urwen 12-06-2019 08:18 AM

I'm still confused about the candy? Is there a specific candy or just in general?

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 08:27 AM

It's a make of confectionery. And you're looking for a character who is only mentioned in FOTR.

Urwen 12-06-2019 10:50 AM

Yeah, but there are lots of candies, like this list shows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_candies



Which one?

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 10:55 AM

Work backwards. Make a list of male characters beginning with L.

Urwen 12-06-2019 01:48 PM

I think it's Lindir, but I can't find the 'lover' or 'confectioner'.


Oh, wait, I could. L for LOVER + I for ONE + RIND (as in watermelon rind)

Urwen 12-06-2019 01:51 PM

Or it could be Lagduf, which is L from lover + FUDGE - E (for exception) + A (for one)

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 02:52 PM

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
LINDIR: Is he a lover of confectionery, with just one small exception?
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

OLD WINYARDS: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

It's LINDOR with one letter changed. There was no 'lover' element, and I thought that when I last looked at the clue. I suppose I'd usually put a question mark, as if to say 'Does his name suggest he loves it?,' but with the clue starting with 'He's,' it looks like I didn't get round to it.

...

Have just edited the clue accordingly. Too late for the guessers, but I like my clues to make sense. Well, in the sense that cryptic clues make sense.

Urwen 12-06-2019 03:39 PM

Second L: GRUB+BLAME?

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 04:42 PM

Blame is an element.

Urwen 12-07-2019 04:41 AM

Lembas is the first thing that comes to mind, but that wasn't in FOTR.

Pervinca Took 12-07-2019 09:39 AM

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
LINDIR: Is he a lover of confectionery, with just one small exception?
LEMBAS: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
ODO PROUDFOOT: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
HOBBITON: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
PARTH GALEN: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

OLD WINYARDS: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
FANUIDHOL: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
EVERARD (TOOK): An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I DRANN: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
GILDOR: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Of course lembas was in FOTR. Where do you think they got it from? ;)

And it's an anagram of 'blames.'

Urwen 12-07-2019 09:41 AM

So the professor could either be Tolkien or Trunchbull, with the latter being a real charlatan of a professor.

Pervinca Took 12-07-2019 09:44 AM

Neither of those. Not a name of a professor.


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