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Pervinca Took 06-24-2020 03:15 PM

Password: reused names?

11. STRIDER. Both Aragorn's nickname and the name of the pony that carried Frodo back to the Shire from Gondor.

Urwen 06-24-2020 03:37 PM

Yup
 
ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
S: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
A: The seventh is hurled.
M: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.

Pervinca Took 06-24-2020 03:40 PM

Would M be MABLUNG?

Urwen 06-24-2020 04:10 PM

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
S: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
A: The seventh is hurled.
MABLUNG: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.

Galadriel55 06-24-2020 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 727848)
It could be worse. Mayor Gamgee of Michel Delving insisted on referring to him as "King Trotter" for over sixty years.

hS

Nooo. :eek:


Going through various sevenths for A, I got Anarion as the 7th King of Numenor (though 8th ruler). Also got Arahad as the 7th Chieftain of the Dunedain, with Arahad II to follow some generations later.

Urwen 06-25-2020 02:02 AM

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
S: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
ARAHAD: The seventh is hurled.
MABLUNG: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.

Pervinca Took 06-25-2020 03:58 AM

Why 'hurled,' Urwen?

Urwen 06-25-2020 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 727855)
Why 'hurled,' Urwen?


One of the elements in his name.

Pervinca Took 06-25-2020 05:33 AM

Which element, though? I can't see it.

Urwen 06-25-2020 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 727857)
Which element, though? I can't see it.

Here is the relevant part.

Quote:

but the had is a little harder to work out. It could be had meaning "hurl, throw", it could be sad (lenited to had) meaning "place, spot", or it could be related to sador meaning "faithful person".

Pervinca Took 06-25-2020 05:41 AM

Ah, cool. Thanks.

Galadriel55 06-25-2020 05:47 AM

Is the last one perhaps Sam? In reference to his gardening and/or abundance of female flowers in the family?

Urwen 06-25-2020 07:12 AM

No. This one is also etymological and refers to the other kind of flower.

Huinesoron 06-25-2020 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 727861)
No. This one is also etymological and refers to the other kind of flower.

SIRIONDIL, of the line of Gondor? Meaning "River-friend".

hS

Urwen 06-25-2020 09:35 AM

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
SIRIONDIL: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
ARAHAD: The seventh is hurled.
MABLUNG: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.


And Pervinca has the next one.

Urwen 06-26-2020 12:30 PM

Where is Pervinca at?

Pervinca Took 06-26-2020 03:26 PM

Sorry. Coming up.

Just had to hold the laptop right up to my face and delete the answers with one finger, as I've mislaid my reading specs. Enjoy.


1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
3. A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
7. Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
8. We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
10. Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
14. Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

Kath 06-27-2020 06:26 AM

Is 3 Arod? Which unravels to road?

Galadriel55 06-27-2020 09:51 AM

7. A sick sailor sounds like ILMARIN, which is unfortunately not a beach. But it makes sense, because if sailor is mariner he loses ER ie hesitation...

Galadriel55 06-27-2020 09:57 AM

10. Is FAREWELL SWEET EARTH AND NORTHERN SKY, pointing to LUTHIEN?

Pervinca Took 06-27-2020 10:39 AM

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
8. We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
14. Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

Correct answers and correct reasons. :) And Ilmarin has a strand, doesn't it?

Mithalwen 06-27-2020 11:55 AM

Last one, the dwarves of yore made mighty smells/spells?

Pervinca Took 06-27-2020 12:44 PM

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
8. We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

Indeed, Mith. :)

Galadriel55 06-27-2020 01:58 PM

The answers all seem to come from songs.

8. Cold Water?

Pervinca Took 06-27-2020 02:42 PM

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! Itís nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

Pretty much might on the theme, G55. :)

Galadriel55 06-28-2020 02:20 PM

9. The most soporific tree that comes to mind is OLD MAN WILLOW, and he too is mentioned in at least one Tom Bom rhyme.

Pervinca Took 06-28-2020 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 727883)
9. The most soporific tree that comes to mind is OLD MAN WILLOW, and he too is mentioned in at least one Tom Bom rhyme.

Wrong song(s), and hence wrong tree, although the willow is *one* of the soporific trees mentioned in the right sonv. Just not the one I'm looking for.

Huinesoron 06-29-2020 03:46 AM

#12: Oh Gandalf. I feel that if he knew Mr. Baggins had written him exclaiming "Great Elephants!" into the Red Book he'd have quite a bit to say to him.

Anyway: OLIPHAUNT?

hS

Pervinca Took 06-29-2020 03:54 AM

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! Itís nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

I think in the BBC Radio 'Hobbit,' Gandalf actually says 'Great Oliphaunts' instead of 'Elephants.' ;)

Galadriel55 07-02-2020 11:24 AM

No solid guesses, but here are a couple ideas.

1. HOPE kinda sounds fitting in this phrase.

5. Sounds like the beginning of The Hobbit, explaining that Bilbo's hole was wonderful in all regards - but I cannot quite place it.

Pervinca Took 07-03-2020 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 727894)
No solid guesses, but here are a couple ideas.

1. HOPE kinda sounds fitting in this phrase.

5. Sounds like the beginning of The Hobbit, explaining that Bilbo's hole was wonderful in all regards - but I cannot quite place it.

It's 'harbours' in a more literal sense.

All the answers are from poems or songs - and each is from a different one. You need to look at the lyrics!

Not all are from the best-known works. 2 is very obscure and a trick question to boot, so leave that one until last and I'll give you a clue when more clues are guessed.

5 is not from 'The Hobbit.'

Pervinca Took 07-03-2020 03:38 AM

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far over the misty mountains old, The Hobbit)

Huinesoron 07-03-2020 05:14 AM

#13: Do I remember the phrase "Night of Naught"? I think it fits the clue (head-rhyme, para-rhyme, both nasals, 'nocturnal' & 'nihilistic'), and it certainly sounds poetic.

hS

Pervinca Took 07-03-2020 12:09 PM

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! Itís nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

Huinesoron 07-06-2020 09:17 AM

Ooh! #4 is SLOE, right? As in slow = leisurely, and sloe gin. It's in "Upon the Hearth the Fire is Red", which probably has an actual name.

hS

Pervinca Took 07-06-2020 09:52 AM

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! Itís nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

Indeed so!

Galadriel55 07-06-2020 05:31 PM

Musings on #9
 
Which song mentions willows?

I don't recall any in The Sil.
There is various Tom Bom stuff in FORT, but it's mostly the Old Man, and I don't think they are grouped with other soporific trees.
Treebeard sings about some First Age willows, but again, nothing soporific as I recall.
Nothing that I remember in ROTK.

That leaves TH, which is not too long to search through.

Aha! Lullaby! Lullaby! ALDER and Willow!

Pervinca Took 07-06-2020 11:08 PM

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! Itís nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

That's the one! :)

Huinesoron 07-07-2020 01:54 AM

Is #5 a Mewlips reference? The poem actually features "dark and wet" in its second line. The obvious answer would be MARSH (of Tode), but I see the Mewlips don't actually live there; they live Beyond. SLIME, maybe?

Also that's a really creepy poem.

hS

Huinesoron 07-07-2020 03:59 AM

The password is clearly M'ARSENIC CATIONS, because all these songs make you think of your background manufacturing arsenites and arsenates. :D

hS


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