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Urwen 06-15-2019 03:22 AM

Lord of the (wrestling) rings?

Urwen 06-15-2019 03:23 AM

Ash nazg durbatuluk

Pervinca Took 06-15-2019 05:46 AM

MELKOR: The Spanish alien is in turmoil for him.
2. Impolite? It's the opposite! A way of walking, a pronoun ... all mingled!
LORD OF THE RING: Rocky?
4. Mess it up, but for something warm?
5. Huge drawback to him, but it sure turns out OK!
WATER: 'Tis rare in Mordor.
BALROG: Behold ... seize ... spin ... it's there!
8. Batman has one!
9. Sounds like a pub, or pub's speciality - this trifle of Sauron's, according to Galdor.
10. One vowel-shift away from a palindrome! See it. Wear it!
11. Sounds like a disrespectful name for the Professor in a particularly tart mood.


Boxing, but yes. 'Lord of the boxing ring' was the idea I was going for. (I thought that was what Tolkien's story was about, before I read it! Many years ago).

Note I have put 'Ring' at the end, not 'Rings.' That's significant, because it refers to one particular time when that usage occurs. The only one in the books, I think.

Urwen 06-15-2019 05:51 AM

Giant+snag for 5?

Pervinca Took 06-15-2019 09:31 AM

No. Giant is the wrong synonym.

Urwen 06-15-2019 09:36 AM

Great?

Pervinca Took 06-15-2019 09:49 AM

No. Try putting things with the other element first.

Urwen 06-15-2019 10:16 AM

Can't find any object with 'snag' in its name......

Pervinca Took 06-15-2019 11:43 AM

The clue has 'him' in it as well as 'it.'

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 03:40 AM

'Drawback' is actually partly straight clue, (but also an essential cryptic element).

Can you think of something or someone that was thought by some to be a nuisance/drawback/useless baggage but in fact turned out to be invaluable?

Urwen 06-16-2019 03:41 AM

There is no character which fits, except Grishnakh. However, once we remove snag from there, we're definitely not left with a synonym for huge.

Urwen 06-16-2019 03:41 AM

Could I get hints for harder ones too?

Urwen 06-16-2019 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 718357)
'Drawback' is actually partly straight clue, (but also an essential cryptic element).

Can you think of something or someone that was thought by some to be a nuisance/drawback/useless baggage but in fact turned out to be invaluable?


Mim, Gollum and Fingolfin were all thought to be useless baggage by Androg, Sam and Feanor respectively, but ended up being invaluable at various points of time for various reasons. One of those?

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 03:58 AM

All good ideas. And I knew you'd think of Feanor's words before he ordered the boats to be set alight (as I did). :D

Not in the Sil or LOTR, though. Another book.

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:03 AM

CoH? UT? FoG?

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 04:04 AM

The one (and not of those three!) that was published first.

Also, try the last clue. What does 'tart' mean?

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:06 AM

The Hobbit?

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:07 AM

Then the titular Hobbit, aka Bilbo himself?

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:08 AM

Tart: sharp in character, spirit, or expression; cutting; biting:

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 718369)
Then the titular Hobbit, aka Bilbo himself?

Yes.

Now ... make the two cryptic elements fit, to get the answer.

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 718371)
Tart: sharp in character, spirit, or expression; cutting; biting:

Try the taste/flavour meaning.

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:11 AM

Then the 'it' refers to the Quest of Erebor?

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 718374)
Try the taste/flavour meaning.


Sour or acid?

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 718375)
Then the 'it' refers to the Quest of Erebor?

Yes, but the 'him' is the final answer to the clue.

So take SNAG and a synonym of huge, and you get ...

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 718376)
Sour or acid?

One of those, indeed!

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:17 AM

Baggins (Big+Snag)

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:18 AM

And what about the 'disrespectful name' for Tolkien?

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:19 AM

11 is not Soronto again, is it?

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 04:21 AM

MELKOR: The Spanish alien is in turmoil for him.
2. Impolite? It's the opposite! A way of walking, a pronoun ... all mingled!
LORD OF THE RING: Rocky?
4. Mess it up, but for something warm?
BAGGINS: Huge drawback to him, but it sure turns out OK!
WATER: 'Tis rare in Mordor.
BALROG: Behold ... seize ... spin ... it's there!
8. Batman has one!
9. Sounds like a pub, or pub's speciality - this trifle of Sauron's, according to Galdor.
10. One vowel-shift away from a palindrome! See it. Wear it!
11. Sounds like a disrespectful name for the Professor in a particularly tart mood.


What might one of Tolkien's names have been shortened to, but never was, as far as we know?

EDIT: No, nothing to do with kangaroo snot.

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:24 AM

His full name is John Ronald Reuel Tolkien. And John is another word for toilet.

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:25 AM

By the way, is my answer to your riddle correct?

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 718383)
His full name is John Ronald Reuel Tolkien. And John is another word for toilet.

Yes, but John = toilet isn't *short* for the name John. The element you need is short for just one of the above names.

Nice reasoning, though.

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:49 AM

Short for Ronald is Ron, and that isn't offensive, and I don't know about Reuel.

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 718388)
Short for Ronald is Ron, and that isn't offensive, and I don't know about Reuel.

It isn't offensive in itself, no. But it would be disrespectful to shorten someone's name without asking them, if they didn't use that shortened version already.

Anyway, it's the right element.

And you already had the other element.

So ....

Urwen 06-16-2019 04:58 AM

So Ron+Soul, or Ron+Acid?


Romendacil?

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 05:04 AM

Why have you changed the R of sour?

And how is it still an insult if you turn it into Romendacil?

Urwen 06-16-2019 05:05 AM

Oh, I see. Sauron? (Sour+Ron)

Urwen 06-16-2019 05:06 AM

Now is 10 about a Tolkien palindrome, or a synonym of a palindrome?

Pervinca Took 06-16-2019 05:37 AM

MELKOR: The Spanish alien is in turmoil for him.
2. Impolite? It's the opposite! A way of walking, a pronoun ... all mingled!
LORD OF THE RING: Rocky?
4. Mess it up, but for something warm?
BAGGINS: Huge drawback to him, but it sure turns out OK!
WATER: 'Tis rare in Mordor.
BALROG: Behold ... seize ... spin ... it's there!
8. Batman has one!
9. Sounds like a pub, or pub's speciality - this trifle of Sauron's, according to Galdor.
10. One vowel-shift away from a palindrome! See it. Wear it!
SAURON: Sounds like a disrespectful name for the Professor in a particularly tart mood.

You need to get the theme next, really. With the exception of 9, the others won't seem to have a Tolkien connection without the theme. I was hoping Huinesoron would be around, because this password was a joke/reaction to his.

If I were to tell you:

1. You posted a password with only two clues/answers. So, for a laugh, I posted one with only one. Not to be outdone, Huinesoron posted one with zero answers. ;) (Go back and look).

Well, I could only beat that by going into minus figures, couldn't I?

Well, I have, sort of. You'll see when the password is solved.

2. There is another connection with Huinesoron's password. The reason 'Sauron' is one of my answers is connected to the 'Sauron' element in Huinesoron's last (or, as he put it, noughth!) clue.

Urwen 06-16-2019 06:44 AM

Minus eleven for the password?


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