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Urwen 07-10-2019 02:50 AM

Hints please?

Also, you are being slightly unfair. I offered you hints freely without you asking because I noticed you were struggling, and yet you don't do the same.

Well, next time I won't give you hints, no matter how much you are struggling.

Pervinca Took 07-10-2019 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 719095)
I've checked everything, and no name fits.

If 'checked everything' means looked at synonym websites, I'm not surprised you haven't found anything.

If it isn't on Tolkien Gateway, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You might also try following the order of the elements in the clue, because I always put things in the order they appear in the answer, unless there's an anagram indicator.

So HALE is right, but it needs a little scrambling. And something needs to go before it.

It's not that hard. It's an answer we've had quite recently.

'What a load of *****!' A modern expression, meaning rubbish/nonsense/no good.

Or

''This film is *****!'

(Not a swear word).

Urwen 07-10-2019 05:28 AM

Worst? Crock?

Pervinca Took 07-10-2019 05:30 AM

It's also something you can wear.

Urwen 07-10-2019 03:24 PM

Tosh - sh = To


To+Hale

Pervinca Took 07-10-2019 07:53 PM

It means an undergarment over here.

I believe it means trousers in America.

Urwen 07-11-2019 01:42 AM

.....It's not THONG again, is it?

Huinesoron 07-11-2019 02:59 AM

PANTS - S + HALE = PANTHAEL, ie 'Fullwise'.

hS

Pervinca Took 07-11-2019 03:22 AM

PANTHAEL: Rubbish without sibilance; well but confused. There he is!
ARWEN: The car went last. (Gandalf and Aragorn were in the van, remember). But look inside and see her.
ROUT: A round trip reveals him. Then he returns.
4. Find him appearing in rude films?
NERWEN: Think archaically, take two paths, and circulate to find her.
6. A jealousy over a locomotive worsens before he is revealed.
7. Willow loses incentive, initially, but then winds itself around her.
SILVER-FOOT: See where the legend lies, breathed through this, and join it to an iambus, a trochee, an anapaest or a dactyl. For her.

Panthael it is. An epesse of Samwise.

Urwen 07-11-2019 04:29 AM

Password: Paronyms?

Pervinca Took 07-11-2019 04:43 AM

No. What's a paronym?

....

Ah. A word that is a derivative of another.

Not the answer, anyway. Try again! It's not hard.

Urwen 07-11-2019 04:52 AM

Parsnips?


This one has no theme, I guess, then.

Huinesoron 07-11-2019 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 719112)
Parsnips?


This one has no theme, I guess, then.

I think it does, and I think I know both the theme and the password.

If #4 is TELEPORNO...

... then the password is PARTNERS, the theme is married couples, and the remaining two answers are names of Aragorn and Rosie respectively.

(I'm kind of drawn to TELCONTAR for #6, since it includes most of 'train', but it's only most, and 'telco' looks tricky to get 'jealousy' from.)

hS

Huinesoron 07-11-2019 05:09 AM

Ah, 6 is A + ENVY + TRAIN = ENVINYATAR, 'the Renewer', or Aragorn at his most Jesusy.

7 starts with R, so looks like Rose or Rosie; 'Willow loses incentive' sounds like you remove will to get 'ow', but I can't for the life of me see a way from there to an answer.

hS

Pervinca Took 07-11-2019 06:16 AM

PANTHAEL: Rubbish without sibilance; well but confused. There he is!
ARWEN: The car went last. (Gandalf and Aragorn were in the van, remember). But look inside and see her.
ROUT: A round trip reveals him. Then he returns.
TELEPORNO: Find him appearing in rude films?
NERWEN: Think archaically, take two paths, and circulate to find her.
ENVINYATAR: A jealousy over a locomotive worsens before he is revealed.
ROSE: Willow loses incentive, initially, but then winds itself around her.
SILVER-FOOT: See where the legend lies, breathed through this, and join it to an iambus, a trochee, an anapaest or a dactyl. For her.

A jealousy over a locomotive is, indeed, A TRAIN ENVY.

OSIER - I = ROSE. (You lose the initial of 'incentive').

The fact that I ran TUOR backwards instead of using a different name and used SILVER-FOOT because Celebrindal did not fit was a big clue to the theme being partners ... and why would I do that if I were not trying to fit answers to a theme?

Over to Huinesoron!

Huinesoron 07-11-2019 08:16 AM

Whoo! Thanks for that; I would never have got osier.

For this one, I will tell you that all the answers are people, and all of them are by their usual name.

1. Here we are held in bondage.
2. Black is my blame.
3. I hunger still.
4. The West has failed.
5. Now I cannot forget them.
6. My pride has fallen.
7. My dread is beyond enduring.

Good luck!

hS

Pervinca Took 07-11-2019 09:01 AM

Are they all speeches said by one person - the person who said it being the answer?

Frodo said 'The West has failed,' in the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

Others might have said it too, perhaps? Denethor, maybe? Saruman? Not sure.



Is 'I hunger still' Ungoliant?

Huinesoron 07-11-2019 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719117)
Are they all speeches said by one person - the person who said it being the answer?

Frodo said 'The West has failed,' in the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

Others might have said it too, perhaps? Denethor, maybe? Saruman? Not sure.



Is 'I hunger still' Ungoliant?

They are indeed; they're also on a theme.

1. Here we are held in bondage.
2. Black is my blame.
UNGOLIANT - I hunger still.
DENETHOR - The West has failed.
5. Now I cannot forget them.
6. My pride has fallen.
7. My dread is beyond enduring.

It's part of Denethor's monologue to Gandalf when he's trying to set everything on fire. I didn't even remember that Frodo says it too.

hS

Urwen 07-11-2019 09:43 AM

1. Feanor, spoken in Aman?

Urwen 07-11-2019 09:46 AM

Oh, it wasn't Feanor, but that person I am obsessed with.

Urwen 07-11-2019 09:51 AM

6. Isildur

Urwen 07-11-2019 09:53 AM

Password: Maudlin?

Huinesoron 07-11-2019 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 719120)
Oh, it wasn't Feanor, but that person I am obsessed with.

Oh, yeah, him; what was his name again?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 719121)
6. Isildur

Correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen
Password: Maudlin?

Aaaand there it goes.

MAEGLIN Here we are held in bondage.
A -- Black is my blame.
UNGOLIANT - I hunger still.
DENETHOR - The West has failed.
L -- Now I cannot forget them.
ISILDUR My pride has fallen.
N -- My dread is beyond enduring.

Theme: O WOE IS ME

hS

Pervinca Took 07-11-2019 10:02 AM

Is A Agarwaen, another cheery soul?

Pervinca Took 07-11-2019 10:03 AM

L = Lobelia, fretting about the other spoons she didn't manage to nick. :D

Huinesoron 07-11-2019 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719124)
Is A Agarwaen, another cheery soul?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719125)
L = Lobelia, fretting about the other spoons she didn't manage to nick. :D

Neither of these (cheeky so-and-so); I could never include Turin and still say 'their usual name' with a straight face!

hS

Urwen 07-11-2019 10:35 AM

7. Nienor?

Pervinca Took 07-11-2019 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 719126)
Neither of these (cheeky so-and-so); I could never include Turin and still say 'their usual name' with a straight face!

hS

Sorry. I forgot that you'd said no nicknames/epesses.

Pervinca Took 07-11-2019 10:45 AM

Ancalagon?

(Washing machines (don't) last longer with Ancalagon).

Although I can't remember a specific example of this, is L Legolas with regard to the (sound of the) waves?

Huinesoron 07-11-2019 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 719127)
7. Nienor?

Yup.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719129)
Ancalagon?

(Washing machines (don't) last longer with Ancalagon).

Snort. :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719129)
Although I can't remember a specific example of this, is L Legolas with regard to the (sound of the) waves?

I think it's the gulls rather than the waves, but yep, that's the one.

MAEGLIN Here we are held in bondage.
A -- Black is my blame.
UNGOLIANT - I hunger still.
DENETHOR - The West has failed.
LEGOLAS -- Now I cannot forget them.
ISILDUR My pride has fallen.
NIENOR -- My dread is beyond enduring.

Theme: O WOE IS ME

One to go, and he's the least self-pitying of the lot; I believe the quote is actually part of a conditional 'If that is so, then black is my blame...'.

hS

Pervinca Took 07-11-2019 01:21 PM

Maybe Aragorn.

For ... er ... farting in that room they slept in so the Nazgul thought they'd left the Pony?

Huinesoron 07-11-2019 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 719131)
Maybe Aragorn.

For ... er ... farting in that room they slept in so the Nazgul thought they'd left the Pony?

-_- No.

hS

Urwen 07-11-2019 01:55 PM

Aldarion is the right answer. ;)

Pervinca Took 07-11-2019 02:12 PM

Yes, he would have been my next guess. :D

Oh, hang on ... Frodo says 'The QUEST has failed.'

Huinesoron 07-11-2019 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 719133)
Aldarion is the right answer. ;)

MAEGLIN - Here we are held in bondage.
ALDARION - Black is my blame.
UNGOLIANT - I hunger still.
DENETHOR - The West has failed.
LEGOLAS - Now I cannot forget them.
ISILDUR - My pride has fallen.
NIENOR - My dread is beyond enduring.

Theme: O WOE IS ME

He is, and he's busy whining about how his wife doesn't like him any more.

Password goes to you, Urwen.

hS

Urwen 07-11-2019 02:52 PM

The idea for this theme is Pervinca's.

1. A dizzy insect within a palindrome? He is there.
2. A chaotical month surrounds a brief country, for her.
3. A confused gang-member reveals him.
4. A returning element is inside a measuring unit, after a rodent. See her!
5. A disoriented country and returning musical symbol reveal him.

Thanks for the theme idea, Pervinca!

Pervinca Took 07-12-2019 02:53 AM

Is 4 TAR-MIRIEL?

RAT backwards; IR (Iridium?) inside MILE.

...

Is 1 GOTHMOG? MOTH inside GOG (a palindrome, if not an actual word. Although it's the nickname of a character in a late 70's children's programme set near Newcastle, called 'The Paper Lads').

Urwen 07-12-2019 03:26 AM

GOTHMOG: A dizzy insect within a palindrome? He is there.
2. A chaotical month surrounds a brief country, for her.
3. A confused gang-member reveals him.
TAR-MIRIEL: A returning element is inside a measuring unit, after a rodent. See her!
5. A disoriented country and returning musical symbol reveal him.

Pervinca Took 07-12-2019 03:39 AM

HURIN for the password?

Pervinca Took 07-12-2019 03:46 AM

BARDING (descendant of Bard?) is a synonym of BRIGAND.


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