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Urwen 04-23-2019 11:55 AM

Correct
 
The theme is still wrong, though


MELIAN: A spun tree is followed by a pronoun and a backward element. She appears.
IDRIL: A cover and an element circulate for her
???R???: A broken rule surrounds a pronoun for her
RIAN: A product of a storm circulates for her
AREDHEL: An article, a color, and a dark goddess. Put them together for her.
ELWING: An alloy, abbreviated. An avian extremity. She appears.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-23-2019 11:57 AM

Alternatively, mothers if First Age heroes (if Maeglin counts)

William Cloud Hicklin 04-23-2019 11:58 AM

3 Morwen. NORM around WE

Urwen 04-23-2019 12:15 PM

MELIAN: A spun tree is followed by a pronoun and a backward element. She appears.
IDRIL: A cover and an element circulate for her
MORWEN: A broken rule surrounds a pronoun for her
RIAN: A product of a storm circulates for her
AREDHEL: An article, a color, and a dark goddess. Put them together for her.
ELWING: An alloy, abbreviated. An avian extremity. She appears.

Urwen 04-23-2019 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin (Post 715269)
Alternatively, mothers if First Age heroes (if Maeglin counts)


The theme was simply 'first age mothers'. And yet nobody thought of that......

Urwen 04-23-2019 02:13 PM

It's Pervinca's turn now. In light of recent events, anyone who attempts to usurp the right of the turn will be subjected to the 'Song that Never Ends' infinite loop, at the highest possible volume. You have been warned.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-23-2019 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715272)
The theme was simply 'first age mothers'. And yet nobody thought of that......


I thought I did

Urwen 04-23-2019 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin (Post 715266)
Queens and princesses of the first age?

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin (Post 715269)
Alternatively, mothers if First Age heroes (if Maeglin counts)


Nope. You never said 'Mothers of First Age'. The closest you came was 'Mothers of First Age Heroes' as opposed to simply 'Mothers of the First Age'. There is a difference between the two.

Pervinca Took 04-23-2019 03:44 PM

He was pretty close, but I guess Maeglin isn't a hero. Luthien could qualify, but I suppose technically she's a heroine.

A good password, anyway.

Next:

1. Negative rattle troubled him.
2. More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
3. Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
4. Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
5. Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
6. Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
7. Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-24-2019 02:59 PM

5, Incanus: CAIN mixed + SUN backwards

Pervinca Took 04-24-2019 03:06 PM

Neat work! :)
 
1. Negative rattle troubled him.
2. More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
3. Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
4. Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
6. Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
7. Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-24-2019 03:40 PM

1. Telcontar. RATTLE+CON

Is it COUNCIL?

Pervinca Took 04-24-2019 04:08 PM

TELCONTAR: Negative rattle troubled him.
???O???: More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
???U???: Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
???N???: Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
???I???: Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
???L???: Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

Well done!

Telcontar is NO + CLATTER, though. I didn't realise the word 'rattle' was also in 'Telcontar' - thought I'd written a really difficult clue!

William Cloud Hicklin 04-24-2019 06:12 PM

2. Elrond. LONGER, swap D for G

William Cloud Hicklin 04-24-2019 06:14 PM

6. Check it for mistakes: I think I know what it is, but I believe there's a letter unaccounted for

Pervinca Took 04-24-2019 10:48 PM

2 is not Elrond. Right method; wrong synonym.

6 is a difficult clue, but it does not contain any mistakes.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-25-2019 05:36 AM

OK. For 6 I was thinking Gimli: G + MILE - E, but that leaves GIML.

Pervinca Took 04-25-2019 06:12 AM

TELCONTAR: Negative rattle troubled him.
???O???: More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
???U???: Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
???N???: Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
GIMLI: Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
???L???: Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

GIMLI is correct, but it's MI + GILL - L.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-25-2019 08:45 AM

OOoh, so "notes" includes sol-fa. I hadn't realized that.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-25-2019 09:00 AM

7 is bugging me, because I'm not familiar with the UK's thousand varieties of puddings

William Cloud Hicklin 04-25-2019 09:41 AM

2. Boromir: ROOMIER, swap B for E

Pervinca Took 04-25-2019 10:01 AM

TELCONTAR: Negative rattle troubled him.
BOROMIR: More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
???U???: Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
???N???: Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
GIMLI: Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
???L???: Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

Boromir from 'roomier,' indeed.

I had not thought of using the doh-re-mi notes as elements until someone did so quite recently on this thread.

It's a one-word pudding, if that helps. And an old-fashioned one.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-25-2019 12:35 PM

Wow, I had to go googling to find it; I'd never heard of it

7. Legolas ELL + SAGO

Pervinca Took 04-25-2019 01:07 PM

TELCONTAR: Negative rattle troubled him.
BOROMIR: More capacious? Change note to perturb him!
???U???: Deer possessed you twice, we hear! Publicity for the moon? It gets even crazier before he appears!
???N???: Leech scurries around, but gains direction for him.
INCANUS: Fiery ball runs back to meet mixed-up killer for him.
GIMLI: Note measure losing direction, and spin to find him.
LEGOLAS: Measure a pudding, and mix it well for him.

Don't think I'd advise eating it either - it sounds revolting! I may have had it as a child. Quite like tapioca, I imagine.

Galadriel55 04-26-2019 07:44 AM

Are these now supposed to be council members who are also Fellowship members? That would make the remaining two hobbits.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-26-2019 08:49 AM

#3: Of the Council attendees, even including aliases, the only ones containing U are Incanus (used), Tharkun (just used recently, and the same guy), and Underhill. I can't work that out.

Galadriel55 04-26-2019 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin (Post 715481)
#3: Of the Council attendees, even including aliases, the only ones containing U are Incanus (used), Tharkun (just used recently, and the same guy), and Underhill. I can't work that out.

Unless it's hobbit names in Westron, but I can't make those work either. Any ideas? :confused:

Huinesoron 04-26-2019 09:10 AM

Let's try RAZANUR TUK, aka Pippin. It includes 'Rana' (a name of the Moon) and two Us ('possessed U twice'), so all we need is to find a deer and publicity in... ZRTK.

...

Maybe not?

Frodo is also given the name 'Daur' on the Field of Cormallen, which at least starts with a D(eer), but unless there's some sneaky subtraction in the clue, I can't see it.

hS

William Cloud Hicklin 04-26-2019 09:48 AM

Well, Underhill contains LUN-R....

Could "Deer possesses you twice" just mean E?

___________

Pippin wasn't at the Council

Pervinca Took 04-26-2019 11:31 AM

There is another alias that no-one has mentioned yet.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-26-2019 04:06 PM

OK, let's see:

Halfelven
Peredhel

Strider
Telcontar
Elessar
Elfstone
Estel
Thorongil
Longshanks
Renewer
Wingfoot
Stick-at-nought

Underhill
Ringbearer
Maura
Deputy Mayor

Gardner
Banazir Galpsi
Great Elf-warrior

Greenleaf

Mithrandir
Incanus
Tharkun
Lathspell
Greyhame
Stormcrow
Olorin

Goldilocks

Pervinca Took 04-26-2019 04:46 PM

None of those.

(Who would Goldilocks be?)

William Cloud Hicklin 04-26-2019 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 715500)

(Who would Goldilocks be?)

Glorfindel, in English

William Cloud Hicklin 04-26-2019 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 715500)
None of those.

But "Mad Baggins" doesn't have a U in it!

Galadriel55 04-26-2019 06:15 PM

Were Banazir and Maura also accounted for? I can't make them work, but who knows. They would fit in thematically, with all the people in the password and theme mentioned once.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-26-2019 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 715503)
Were Banazir and Maura also accounted for? I can't make them work, but who knows. They would fit in thematically, with all the people in the password and theme mentioned once.

She just used Maura a couple of days ago. Banazir has no U.

I've played with FULLWISE, which is really a stretch (a punning compliment, not really an alias). But I can't make that work either.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-26-2019 11:00 PM

All right, there were 7 persons at the Council who would join the Fellowship:

Frodo
Sam
Gandalf
Aragorn
Boromir
Legolas
Gimli

All those are accounted for except the two hobbits, and that suggests that we are indeed looking at Maura for U and Banazir for N. But I can't make either one work.

Pervinca Took 04-26-2019 11:09 PM

1. I never said they were all in the Fellowship.

2. There is a *pair* of aliases that is bestowed once, and in the same sentence, but not in the published LOTR or its appendices. One of the remaining answers is one from this pair.

William Cloud Hicklin 04-27-2019 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 715506)

2. There is a *pair* of aliases that is bestowed once, and in the same sentence, but not in the published LOTR or its appendices. One of the remaining answers is one from this pair.


Oooh, that's sneaky! Not in the published Lord of the Rings, because it's in the unpublished Epilogue. "Master Perhael who should be called Panthael." (Master Samwise who should be called Fullwise). So I was on the right track!

Panthael contains HEAL (leech; we just talked about that definition), and the required N, which is the "direction." I just can't figure out PAT.

Pervinca Took 04-27-2019 12:15 PM

I'm sneaky? Have you tried Huey's passwords? ;)

It isn't Panthael, or Perhael, and it isn't in the Epilogue.

But you DO have the right CHARACTER.

The pair of aliases are bestowed UPON a pair. One for each character.

By the way, the 'pair of aliases' clue is the U clue, not the leech one!


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