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Galadriel55 07-12-2015 07:28 AM

Nori is correct. Elessar is not. You were closer with Tar.

Pervinca Took 07-12-2015 01:28 PM

Not sure if we need to account for 'label' apart from its just being the word/name for a king? But will guess at ARAN, the Quenya word for king.

Galadriel55 07-13-2015 11:03 AM

Not Aran. The clue is cryptic; thus, there is a straight clue and a cryptic part. The king is the straight clue.


1. TURIN He wrecks destruction and drink, did you say?

2. NORI Dwarf confused foreign colour.

3. EDAIN One European mixed up men.

4. ELLADAN Girl and boy make a cross-breed.

5. King label

6. Tree (or is it?) endlessly shot.


7. BILL Animal, master, and statement.

8. LOTHO Behold! Feverish, confused man.

9. Leader mixes small direction.



Any thoughts for #6 or #9?

Pervinca Took 07-13-2015 11:19 AM

Ah ... could it be label as in brand? The brand of goods on the label?

King BRAND of Dale? (Son of Bain, son of Bard, if I've got them in the right order).

Pervinca Took 07-13-2015 02:21 PM

I'm not going to be around for a couple of weeks to post another password if I'm right (so please, if I'm right, someone else step in once the clues are all correctly guessed), but is the password UNDERHILL, going in a zigzag from top to bottom between the 2nd and 1st letters of the answers?

The thought that it might be gives me an idea for the tree clue, but I will not post this until I can justify the cryptic part of it.

Pervinca Took 07-13-2015 02:37 PM

Unless ... perhaps 'endlessly shot' is what happened to the huorns under Saruman's orders?

And it's sort of debatable whether or not a HUORN is actually a tree.

Galadriel55 07-13-2015 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 700657)
Ah ... could it be label as in brand? The brand of goods on the label?

King BRAND of Dale? (Son of Bain, son of Bard, if I've got them in the right order).

Hurray!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 700661)
I'm not going to be around for a couple of weeks to post another password if I'm right (so please, if I'm right, someone else step in once the clues are all correctly guessed), but is the password UNDERHILL, going in a zigzag from top to bottom between the 2nd and 1st letters of the answers?

Perfect. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 700663)
Unless ... perhaps 'endlessly shot' is what happened to the huorns under Saruman's orders?

And it's sort of debatable whether or not a HUORN is actually a tree.

Mwahahaha! The answer is not Huorn, but close. This is a cryptic clue, though, and a tad more devious than the rest, but it still has a straight clue and cryptic part. The straight clue might not be what you think, though.


1. TURIN He wrecks destruction and drink, did you say?

2. NORI Dwarf confused foreign colour.

3. EDAIN One European mixed up men.

4. ELLADAN Girl and boy make a cross-breed.

5. BRAND King label

6. H Tree (or is it?) endlessly shot.

7. BILL Animal, master, and statement.

8. LOTHO Behold! Feverish, confused man.

9. ... L Leader mixes small direction.

Pervinca Took 07-13-2015 03:04 PM

'Endlessly shot,' and looking for ways to make it work, has made me envisage Vollywood - the Valinor equivalent of Bollywood, and all the handsome elves as film stars ... oh dear.

A pleasant image, though. :)

Galadriel55 07-13-2015 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 700665)
'Endlessly shot,' and looking for ways to make it work, has made me envisage Vollywood - the Valinor equivalent of Bollywood, and all the handsome elves as film stars ... oh dear.

A pleasant image, though. :)

Would you like another hint now, while we're both online? ;)

Pervinca Took 07-13-2015 03:15 PM

I've been thinking 'family tree,' but ...

Go on then! ;)

EDIT: Haleth, who founded a family tree? Because I think she was a hunter, and they would shoot (but 'shot' is passive voice).

Galadriel55 07-13-2015 03:41 PM

There are two Tolkien elements in the clue. Huorn is indeed the tree (or is it), but that's not the straight clue (or the answer).


PS: sorry for the late response, I didn't see your post until now. I was writing a post for RP and I forgot to refresh... :(

Pervinca Took 07-13-2015 03:50 PM

An endless Huorn would be HUOR - was he a good shot? Handy with a bow and arrow?

EDIT: Well ... he was shot in the eye with a poisoned arrow, and so died.

Galadriel55 07-13-2015 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 700671)
An endless Huorn would be HUOR - was he a good shot? Handy with a bow and arrow?

EDIT: Well ... he was shot in the eye with a poisoned arrow, and so died.

*applause*

1. TURIN He wrecks destruction and drink, did you say?

2. NORI Dwarf confused foreign colour.

3. EDAIN One European mixed up men.

4. ELLADAN Girl and boy make a cross-breed.

5. BRAND King label

6. HUOR Tree (or is it?) endlessly shot.

7. BILL Animal, master, and statement.

8. LOTHO Behold! Feverish, confused man.

9. ... L Leader mixes small direction.

Pervinca Took 08-01-2015 04:52 PM

9. ... L Leader mixes small direction.
 
Although 'low' is a bit of a stretch for 'small,' I'll have a guess at OLWE (with E for the direction).

Galadriel55 08-03-2015 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 700998)
Although 'low' is a bit of a stretch for 'small,' I'll have a guess at OLWE (with E for the direction).

You don't even realize how close you are. :eek: (but no cigar :()

Pervinca Took 08-04-2015 05:14 AM

Oh! ELWE - wee for little? (And L for the direction).

Galadriel55 08-04-2015 10:32 AM

Perfect. :D Over to you.

Pervinca Took 08-06-2015 08:08 AM

Yay! And a great zig-zag password (applauds again). :)

This took me a little while to put together, because I no longer have a piled-up stock of password clues, but I hope you enjoy it:

1. Bold grey takes direction for her.
2. Sauronís speciality loses humanity for a flower.
3. Lament mingles with horse colour. Loses note but adds direction, for a sombre portal.
4. Leaf mingles with crude fertiliser, but the result is high and Noldorin.
5. Old English chill mingles with bitter liquid, but loses note at the peak.
6. Hesitate, know, mark him.
7. Here interweave many tales, if French direction meets the Aylesbury rockers.
8. Quaint tile around the mountain.

Galadriel55 08-06-2015 08:03 PM

I'll hazard a guess - Celebdil for #5? Google etymology tells me chill once used to be cele or ciele. It's a peak. No clue how to make bitter liquid out of bd(i)l.

Mithalwen 08-06-2015 09:37 PM

I suspect bile is the bitter liquid and d or the extra e the lost note

Pervinca Took 08-07-2015 05:05 AM

1. Bold grey takes direction for her.
2. Sauronís speciality loses humanity for a flower.
3. Lament mingles with horse colour. Loses note but adds direction, for a sombre portal.
4. Leaf mingles with crude fertiliser, but the result is high and Noldorin.
CELEBDIL: Old English chill mingles with bitter liquid, but loses note at the peak.
6. Hesitate, know, mark him.
7. Here interweave many tales, if French direction meets the Aylesbury rockers.
8. Quaint tile around the mountain.

Both close enough for a cigar. It's actually Old English CEALD for cold - I started the clue with 'Old English cold,' but thought chill flowed better in the 'sense' of the sentence, and 'chill' can be synonymous with 'cold.' So CEALD mixes with BILE and loses the A.

Galadriel55 08-07-2015 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 701072)
I suspect bile is the bitter liquid and d or the extra e the lost note

That's what I thought this morning, but couldn't post it until now. But it's weird that my answer is incorrect but still turns out right! :D

Pervinca Took 08-07-2015 09:25 AM

Not really - your answer was correct, and your reasoning nearly correct. ;)

Mithalwen 08-07-2015 10:31 AM

It happens a lot to me at least with cryptic crosswords. You know it has to be a certain word - or when you get the solution - but you don't quite see why.

Galadriel55 08-09-2015 10:27 AM

6. Erkenbrand? Er=hesitate, brand=mark, ken = ??? somehow must become know.

Mithalwen 08-09-2015 01:31 PM

ken does mean know though it is archaic save in some dialects. I guess it is linked to the German kennen. It isn't widely used save in expressions like "beyond my ken" or the old song "Do you ken John Peel?"

Pervinca Took 08-09-2015 06:42 PM

Erkenbrand indeed
 
1. Bold grey takes direction for her.
2. Sauron’s speciality loses humanity for a flower.
3. Lament mingles with horse colour. Loses note but adds direction, for a sombre portal.
4. Leaf mingles with crude fertiliser, but the result is high and Noldorin.
CELEBDIL: Old English chill mingles with bitter liquid, but loses note at the peak.
ERKENBRAND: Hesitate, know, mark him.
7. Here interweave many tales, if French direction meets the Aylesbury rockers.
8. Quaint tile around the mountain.

'Ken' is still widely used in Scotland, and I remember it being used in a cryptic clue on a game show in the 80's. ;)

I think you've started with two of the hardest clues, by the way.

Galadriel55 08-10-2015 10:36 AM

3. Morannon = Roan+moan-a+n


Also, I found these clues easier because I knew where to start. I tend to get lost with clues that have synonyms and anagrams because there are so many possibilities. Like, for the past few days I've been trying to name Sauron's speciality, but things like "trickery" and "evil" don't really work well. ;) My trouble is with finding the right words, not with sticking them together.

PS: also, my first thought about this clue was Doors of the Dead. :D

Galadriel55 08-10-2015 01:04 PM

Oh! Ringlore - re = Ringlo for 2!

Mithalwen 08-10-2015 01:54 PM

Ah I was reverse engineering from Ringil which was a struggle...

Pervinca Took 08-14-2015 12:55 PM

Well done!
 
1. Bold grey takes direction for her.
RINGLO: Sauron’s speciality loses humanity for a flower.
MORANNON: Lament mingles with horse colour. Loses note but adds direction, for a sombre portal.
4. Leaf mingles with crude, backward form of fertiliser, but the result is high and Noldorin.
CELEBDIL: Old English chill mingles with bitter liquid, but loses note at the peak.
ERKENBRAND: Hesitate, know, mark him.
7. Here interweave many tales, if French direction meets the Aylesbury rockers.
8. Quaint tile around the mountain.

Indeed! Ringlore minus RE (the humanity subject, Religious Education).

Urwen 08-23-2015 11:40 AM

Methinks the answer for 4 is Finrod. Tried the combinations and he is the only one that makes sense.

Pervinca Took 08-23-2015 12:07 PM

You ARE right ... in a sense ....

But not quite right enough to justify the cryptic elements. ;) Can you tell me the thinking behind your answer?

Urwen 08-23-2015 12:50 PM

Simple. The synonym for leaf is Frond. If you add letter I which I think is the fertilizer and changed the order a bit, you get Finrod.

Pervinca Took 08-23-2015 01:29 PM

Ingenious ... but wrong. ;)

'I' is a bit of a stretch for a fertiliser!

Try again. You are very close, but the word 'frond' is not involved.

Urwen 08-23-2015 01:42 PM

But there must be a frond somewhere in there and I don't know anyone else who has frond as part of their name.

Pervinca Took 08-23-2015 03:17 PM

Sometimes you don't need a synonym. ;) That's also true of the last of the clues ....

I've added a little to clue 4, to hopefully make it easier.

Urwen 08-23-2015 04:17 PM

In that case, the answer is either Faelivrin (nickname for Finduilas) or Feanor

Pervinca Took 08-23-2015 04:38 PM

Both wrong, I'm afraid. You were closer with Finrod.

Mithalwen 08-23-2015 06:30 PM

ahh 4 is Felagund anagram of leaf and dung. I thought of dung ages ago but couldn't make it work


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