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Urwen 06-19-2021 11:17 AM

1. Tower
10. Salgant? (???)

Urwen 06-19-2021 11:23 AM

5. Voronwe?

Huinesoron 06-19-2021 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732793)
There are five letters and six houses left. I guess one of the houses is not included. You didn't leave out my favorite, did you? I mean, I included yours in my puzzle...

(There are six letters left... :D)

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732794)
1. Tower
10. Salgant? (???)

1. Half-right.
10. No, though I admit it sounds like stuff he'd say!

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732795)
5. Voronwe?

Yes. Did you just guess that from the letter? It's Boron (Third Head of House of Beor/fifth element) > Voron, + we.

1. T - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical mountain.
WRATH - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s). (Hammer of Wrath)
3. E - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest.
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking OF. (Tree)
VORONWE - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last. (Wing)
ECTHELION - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering. (Fountain
7. H - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing.
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
10. S - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is cancelled!
11. E - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

hS

Urwen 06-19-2021 04:33 PM

Oh, wait? S could be 'sable mole', from STABLE (where horses are kept) - T (for tea) + MOLE (for imitation, I guess, though it's used to denote spies, these days. Which they were, but I digress... :D)

Urwen 06-19-2021 04:34 PM

And T is Tower of Snow.

Pervinca Took 06-19-2021 05:20 PM

Were there 12 houses of elves?

Huinesoron 06-20-2021 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 732800)
Were there 12 houses of elves?

Per The Fall of Gondolin , there were in that city, and they all conveniently had their own symbols, emblems, colours, traits, and leaders. I decided I wanted to try another Full Set password.

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732798)
Oh, wait? S could be 'sable mole', from STABLE (where horses are kept) - T (for tea) + MOLE (for imitation, I guess, though it's used to denote spies, these days. Which they were, but I digress... :D)

Just 'Sable' actually; 'unadorned and imitative' refers to the fact that their black banner was identical to Morgoth's, which I believe is what we call "definitely a coincidence and not at all suspicious".

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732799)
And T is Tower of Snow.

Yep.

TOWER OF SNOW - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical MOUNTAIN. (Tower of Snow)
WRATH - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s). (Hammer of Wrath)
3. E - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest.
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking OF. (Tree)
VORONWE - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last. (Wing)
ECTHELION - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering. (Fountain
7. H - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing.
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
SABLE - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is CANCELLED! (Mole)
11. E - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

Three to go!

hS

Urwen 06-20-2021 08:09 AM

H is HARP (HART-T+P)

Urwen 06-20-2021 08:32 AM

But I can't find anything that fits the last two. Maybe someone else will be able to do it?

Pervinca Took 06-20-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732808)
But I can't find anything that fits the last two. Maybe someone else will be able to do it?

Not my area of expertise, unfortunately. Have tried, but ....

Huinesoron 06-20-2021 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732805)
H is HARP (HART-T+P)

Correct!

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 732809)
Not my area of expertise, unfortunately. Have tried, but ....

So the two houses left are the Pillar and the King, and yeah, these are the trickiest clues, because:

3: Note that this uses the second letter, which I'm very disappointed to have needed. :(

11. 'Look around' is just an anagram indicator. Focus on the next three words to find an anagrammed name with a Gondolin association, and then follow the rest of the clue.

TOWER OF SNOW - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical MOUNTAIN. (Tower of Snow)
WRATH - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s). (Hammer of Wrath)
3. E - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest.
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking OF. (Tree)
VORONWE - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last. (Wing)
ECTHELION - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering. (Fountain
HARP - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing. (Harp)
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
SABLE - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is CANCELLED! (Mole)
11. E - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

hS

Pervinca Took 06-20-2021 09:51 AM

Is the spelling of 'threee' deliberate?

Urwen 06-20-2021 10:17 AM

3. The only thing that comes to mind is PENLOD (PEN for writing + LOT, which changes into LOD)...

Huinesoron 06-20-2021 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 732811)
Is the spelling of 'threee' deliberate?

^_~ :D

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732812)
3. The only thing that comes to mind is PENLOD (PEN for writing + LOT, which changes into LOD)...

Correct. 'To pen' is a synonym for 'to write', and Lot > Lod changes the stop consonant at the end.

TOWER OF SNOW - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical MOUNTAIN. (Tower of Snow)
WRATH - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s). (Hammer of Wrath)
PENLOD - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest. (Pillar)
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking OF. (Tree)
VORONWE - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last. (Wing)
ECTHELION - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering. (Fountain)
HARP - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing. (Harp)
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
SABLE - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is CANCELLED! (Mole)
11. E - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer.
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

hS

Urwen 06-20-2021 02:46 PM

For the last one

Ether? Ehret? Eheret? Etereh?

Urwen 06-20-2021 03:00 PM

Enerdhil?

Huinesoron 06-20-2021 03:52 PM

None of those. You are not looking for an anagram of 'three' (or 'three e).

hS

Urwen 06-20-2021 04:24 PM

Echor?

Urwen 06-20-2021 04:31 PM

Or Ælfwine (WIFE+L+N+E)

Urwen 06-20-2021 04:35 PM

As for the dreamer bit, from his TG page:


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Many days after they passed Ireland the voyagers were exhausted. A "dreamlike death" seemed to come over them, and soon they passed out.

Huinesoron 06-21-2021 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732820)
Echor?

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732821)
Or Ælfwine (WIFE+L+N+E)

No and no.

The clue breaks down like this:

[Anagram of whatever is meant by [three directions threee]] + 'a spouse' = 'a dreamer'.

Given which House is left, the person constituting the final answer should be pretty easy to guess; it's just a matter of figuring out how I'm referring to them.

hS

Urwen 06-21-2021 02:51 AM

I am lost...Spouse=wife?

Urwen 06-21-2021 02:53 AM

Earendil? Elenwe? Elemmakil? Ereinion?

Huinesoron 06-21-2021 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732824)
I am lost...Spouse=wife?

That is one meaning of the word, yes.

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732825)
Earendil? Elenwe? Elemmakil? Ereinion?

One of these answers is relevant.

hS

Urwen 06-21-2021 03:19 AM

Relevant?

Urwen 06-21-2021 03:24 AM

The archaic meaning of 'SPOUSE' is 'WED', and I am thinking we should take away directions rather than add them. So 'WED' - 'W' = ED...

Either way, I think the answer is Earendil...

Huinesoron 06-21-2021 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732827)

Nope.

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732828)
The archaic meaning of 'SPOUSE' is 'WED', and I am thinking we should take away directions rather than add them. So 'WED' - 'W' = ED...

Either way, I think the answer is Earendil...

Earendil was in the House of the Wing, with his dad, which is already represented by Voronwe.

As to the other: you're overthinking it. Remember this:

[Anagram of whatever is meant by [three directions threee]] + 'a spouse' = 'a dreamer'.

'a spouse' is not part of the anagram or its instructions.

hS

Urwen 06-21-2021 04:00 AM

But what is meant by 'three directions threee' is what I cannot figure out, really, and you're not giving any hints for that part...

Urwen 06-21-2021 04:02 AM

Well, fine, I'll do a process of elimination. You said once it is a valid method.

Elenwe?

Huinesoron 06-21-2021 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732830)
But what is meant by 'three directions threee' is what I cannot figure out, really, and you're not giving any hints for that part...

You are looking for letters to mix together. What does 'X directions' usually mean? What could the text 't h r e e e' possibly indicate?

And more importantly: how many named people are there in the House of the King? How many have an association with dreams? How could we get from them to someone beginning with E by thinking about spouses?

hS

Urwen 06-21-2021 04:27 AM

I don't even have the list of named people in the House of the King.

Tolkien Gateway doesn't provide it and the FoG book doesn't either.

Huinesoron 06-21-2021 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732834)
I don't even have the list of named people in the House of the King.

Tolkien Gateway doesn't provide it and the FoG book doesn't either.

There's only one. ;)

hS

Urwen 06-21-2021 07:00 AM

In that case, he must have some unheard-of elvish name...cos I know who you mean, and his name doesn't even contain the letter E...

Urwen 06-21-2021 07:30 AM

Eureka!
 
And I've been blind. So, so blind. The answer was right there all along if you looked at it another way. You even told me one of those names is releavent, and I took it to mean one of those names is the answer. Once I realized that, and the fact that spouse could also mean 'husband', it all slid into place.

The answer is ELENWE'S HUSBAND, you sly dog, you. :smokin:

Huinesoron 06-21-2021 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 732839)
And I've been blind. So, so blind. The answer was right there all along if you looked at it another way. You even told me one of those names is releavent, and I took it to mean one of those names is the answer. Once I realized that, and the fact that spouse could also mean 'husband', it all slid into place.

The answer is ELENWE'S HUSBAND, you sly dog, you. :smokin:

And there it is. :) Full password in a minute.

hS

Huinesoron 06-21-2021 07:39 AM

TOWER OF SNOW - A puller of powdered ice, or perhaps a metaphorical MOUNTAIN. (Tower of Snow)
WRATH - Like hammer falling, war is a disarray of thorn(s). (Hammer of Wrath)
PENLOD - To write a lot but change to stop, is to lead (or come second in) a column of the finest. (Pillar)
LEGOLAS - "Let go, girl," he mumbled in a dialect, but not the one you're thinking of. (Tree)
VORONWE - The Beorian element we change at first, and come home at last. (Wing)
ECTHELION - A quarter off an old ambulance with a nucleus of helium? Sounds towering. (Fountain)
HARP - A deer loses its tail but gains small prongs playing. (Harp)
OPAL - Oh my friend, a colourful gem! (Heavenly Arch)
URI [the Sun] - Bender of spoons, or bender of space? (Golden Flower)
SABLE - Unadorned and imitative? Where's my horse? Tea is CANCELLED! (Mole)
ELENWE'S HUSBAND - Look around. Three directions threee and then a spouse makes for a dreamer. (King)
SWALLOW - Gulp! A bird! (Swallow)

The 12 Houses of Gondolin

L+N+W + 'three E' gives Elenwe.

Over to you.

hS

Urwen 06-21-2021 07:42 AM

Password will be up as soon as I figure out how best to include all the letters.

Urwen 06-21-2021 08:23 AM

And I've managed to make the full set too, with only one letter not being the first. So have at it!

1. An article, a broken container, a delay, and a preposition come together for him.
2. A direction precedes a musical instrument for him.
3. Headless argot and a preposition form him.
4. A preposition, a verb, and two directions form them.
5. A holiday and headless throws form them.
6. They're ghosts of unlight.
7. Reversed chromium is within a confused Disney bear. There he is.
8. An admirer. A murderer, cut in half? That's him.
9. A bilabial nasal, a vowel and a Vala make him up.
10. A heated metal stick is warped. He is revealed.
11. He is a band creator.
12. An insect, a verb and a note spin in circles for him.
13. Centers are muddled and vowel-less. They appear.
14. Twisted sword handle meets little mother; a robot with two directions moves in circles; there they are.
15. A medieval vehicle, a modern vehicle, to stop, are in a muddle for him.

Urwen 06-21-2021 08:32 AM

Actually, that last one doesn't fit the theme. Please hold while I change it.

Urwen 06-21-2021 08:49 AM

There. Fixed. Proceed.


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